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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 19:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen,

I was the other woman in a relationship that sounded eerily similar to yours. In fact, if the ages of your children would have been slightly different, I would have thought you were the wife in my love triangle.

I can assure you that my experience as the other woman was miserable and unfulfilling. The same issues your husband brings to your relationship, he brings to his affairs - including the impotence. In my situation, it was a long lost love who looked me up and we rekindled an intimate friendship that took a sexual turn. I, myself, am a married woman but the allure of an emotionally unavailable man from my past who (I thought) realized the error of letting me go was too difficult to resist. My romantic fantasies were quickly crushed. Long story short, he was a messed up guy who brought his troubles with him.

Your post has given me a valuable insight into what might have really been happening at home. When he said &quot;open marriage&quot; and &quot;wife and I haven&#039;t had sex for 3+ years&quot;, that didn&#039;t mean there wasn&#039;t a good woman in a great deal of torment at home. I ended my affair when the pain became too great. I am on this site, like you, because I am trying to figure out how I devoted so much time to someone so undeserving of me and to move on and heal.

I wish you much happiness and peace in your heart and mind. Your children will forgive you and understand when they are old enough for doing what is best for you and your family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen,</p>
<p>I was the other woman in a relationship that sounded eerily similar to yours. In fact, if the ages of your children would have been slightly different, I would have thought you were the wife in my love triangle.</p>
<p>I can assure you that my experience as the other woman was miserable and unfulfilling. The same issues your husband brings to your relationship, he brings to his affairs &#8211; including the impotence. In my situation, it was a long lost love who looked me up and we rekindled an intimate friendship that took a sexual turn. I, myself, am a married woman but the allure of an emotionally unavailable man from my past who (I thought) realized the error of letting me go was too difficult to resist. My romantic fantasies were quickly crushed. Long story short, he was a messed up guy who brought his troubles with him.</p>
<p>Your post has given me a valuable insight into what might have really been happening at home. When he said &#8220;open marriage&#8221; and &#8220;wife and I haven&#8217;t had sex for 3+ years&#8221;, that didn&#8217;t mean there wasn&#8217;t a good woman in a great deal of torment at home. I ended my affair when the pain became too great. I am on this site, like you, because I am trying to figure out how I devoted so much time to someone so undeserving of me and to move on and heal.</p>
<p>I wish you much happiness and peace in your heart and mind. Your children will forgive you and understand when they are old enough for doing what is best for you and your family.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m always saddened to hear when a spouse steps out of their covenant of marraige. I Have gone thru the same thing and my husband has wanted to work out our marraige I too have 4 children and have been marraiged for 16 years. I too asked him to move out. It is devastating and the healing process been hard. We took the Marraige of Dynamic course with the book His Needs Her Needs, by Dr. Harley. We also discovered my husband has an addiction, and like Dr. Harley says their are as many sexual addictions as there are sexual positions. I now can see how sex sin has trapped him in a very dark scary place. Sex addiction is is not about attraction or about the SEX. It is about the natural high you get. Maybe this is similar to what you are going thru. Their are many books and meeting that can help you and your husband to have healing and happiness and YES have an intimate marraige, and better then it was before. The strength and understanding, pain and healing, and yes thru the tears I have found recoverery with a book a healing Journey, by Marsha Means. I did not go out and do an eye foe an eye. That can only cause more damage. Yuo both need to step up to the plate and make the committment to DO something about it. Put your stake in the ground and fight for the marraige you want and stick to it. Starting with that committment honesty follows. I wish you well and remember those innocent offspring are watching every move you make that will be their lifetime-learning instilled in them. They will know if you were not quiters no matter how tough it gets! And they will love and admire you for it. We are all sinners. I pray you dio the right thing and you both can be strong thru this hardship of betrayal. Best of Love</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always saddened to hear when a spouse steps out of their covenant of marraige. I Have gone thru the same thing and my husband has wanted to work out our marraige I too have 4 children and have been marraiged for 16 years. I too asked him to move out. It is devastating and the healing process been hard. We took the Marraige of Dynamic course with the book His Needs Her Needs, by Dr. Harley. We also discovered my husband has an addiction, and like Dr. Harley says their are as many sexual addictions as there are sexual positions. I now can see how sex sin has trapped him in a very dark scary place. Sex addiction is is not about attraction or about the SEX. It is about the natural high you get. Maybe this is similar to what you are going thru. Their are many books and meeting that can help you and your husband to have healing and happiness and YES have an intimate marraige, and better then it was before. The strength and understanding, pain and healing, and yes thru the tears I have found recoverery with a book a healing Journey, by Marsha Means. I did not go out and do an eye foe an eye. That can only cause more damage. Yuo both need to step up to the plate and make the committment to DO something about it. Put your stake in the ground and fight for the marraige you want and stick to it. Starting with that committment honesty follows. I wish you well and remember those innocent offspring are watching every move you make that will be their lifetime-learning instilled in them. They will know if you were not quiters no matter how tough it gets! And they will love and admire you for it. We are all sinners. I pray you dio the right thing and you both can be strong thru this hardship of betrayal. Best of Love</p>
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		<title>By: Brad K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen,

Best of luck to you!  I hope you find all you need in the days and years ahead.  Make good friends wherever you go!

Blessed be!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen,</p>
<p>Best of luck to you!  I hope you find all you need in the days and years ahead.  Make good friends wherever you go!</p>
<p>Blessed be!</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to update you. 
Well I worked on emotionally letting him go. Then I demanded honesty from myself and spent time really looking at who I am. I contacted several colleges and am working on applications and finding some grants. Made a goal to finish my own degree and move out of my state in  2 yrs. Took a trip to Phoenix even. The first time I&#039;ve done that since being married.
I guess you can see that the bottom line is I put this part of my life behind me and I am working on going on in the future alone with my children.
I figure I can do it all on my own. All I had to do was step back to see clearly the mind games he was playing. When I got a good look from the outside I clearly saw what a broken and messed up person he was/is. I didn&#039;t fail at this relationship, I only failed myself. I will never let that happen again. Thank you for being here for me when I was lost in emotional shock of it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to update you.<br />
Well I worked on emotionally letting him go. Then I demanded honesty from myself and spent time really looking at who I am. I contacted several colleges and am working on applications and finding some grants. Made a goal to finish my own degree and move out of my state in  2 yrs. Took a trip to Phoenix even. The first time I&#8217;ve done that since being married.<br />
I guess you can see that the bottom line is I put this part of my life behind me and I am working on going on in the future alone with my children.<br />
I figure I can do it all on my own. All I had to do was step back to see clearly the mind games he was playing. When I got a good look from the outside I clearly saw what a broken and messed up person he was/is. I didn&#8217;t fail at this relationship, I only failed myself. I will never let that happen again. Thank you for being here for me when I was lost in emotional shock of it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the children are a consideration.  But they have been involved for the last eleven (11) years.

Your children will watch you and your husband, and call whatever process you work out, or attempt, or fumble at, &#039;home.&#039;  They will grow up expecting this kind of interaction in the families they hope to form when they mature.  An open marriage (shudder) or any separation between you will establish what is &#039;normal&#039; for them.  The ideal, I believe, would have you married to a man you respect, trust, and cherish.  I think next would be to see you being honest and honorable about your marriage vows, and responsible about your relationship with their father.

Remember when all the viagra commercials started?  There are many causes for impotence, including open chest surgery.  Most of the affected marriages survive just fine.  Although you are &#039;in your prime&#039;, consider that other women manage to make do, from married women, to women married to injured or otherwise incapable men, to single women (including those vowed to chastity).  As the song goes, &quot;We can work it out.&quot;  Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

The biggest risk I see, is that he is in the home, and cheating.  The children see him - cheating affects his behavior from lying to not being with his family during the time he is &#039;occupied&#039;.  Whether the children ever see or hear about another woman, his cheating affects them.  I am inclined to want to protect the kids from a borderline sexual predator.  And I would want him out of the house until you are satisfied, through counseling, that he is both a solid role model for the kids, and unlikely to pursue his (criminal adultery) cheating.  Please *don&#039;t* enable his misbehavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the children are a consideration.  But they have been involved for the last eleven (11) years.</p>
<p>Your children will watch you and your husband, and call whatever process you work out, or attempt, or fumble at, &#8216;home.&#8217;  They will grow up expecting this kind of interaction in the families they hope to form when they mature.  An open marriage (shudder) or any separation between you will establish what is &#8216;normal&#8217; for them.  The ideal, I believe, would have you married to a man you respect, trust, and cherish.  I think next would be to see you being honest and honorable about your marriage vows, and responsible about your relationship with their father.</p>
<p>Remember when all the viagra commercials started?  There are many causes for impotence, including open chest surgery.  Most of the affected marriages survive just fine.  Although you are &#8216;in your prime&#8217;, consider that other women manage to make do, from married women, to women married to injured or otherwise incapable men, to single women (including those vowed to chastity).  As the song goes, &#8220;We can work it out.&#8221;  Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.</p>
<p>The biggest risk I see, is that he is in the home, and cheating.  The children see him &#8211; cheating affects his behavior from lying to not being with his family during the time he is &#8216;occupied&#8217;.  Whether the children ever see or hear about another woman, his cheating affects them.  I am inclined to want to protect the kids from a borderline sexual predator.  And I would want him out of the house until you are satisfied, through counseling, that he is both a solid role model for the kids, and unlikely to pursue his (criminal adultery) cheating.  Please *don&#8217;t* enable his misbehavior.</p>
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