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	<title>Comments on: Are men really like rubber bands? Er&#8230;No (Part One)</title>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/are-men-really-like-rubber-bands-erno-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-244555</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The person who writes this blog is one intelligent, bright woman!  She&#039;s got this down pat!  I think EXACTLY what she articulates, so perhaps that is why I am in complete agreement.  Even if not, at least it does accomplish one thing:  to make women think about whether or not the man she is giving her time (which is her life) to is engaging in unacceptable behavior.

My dignity comes first.  Thank goodness for that.  Even if I am in pain over not continuing to see the man, at least I don&#039;t put up with crap.  I will NOT continue to be sexually intimate with a man that I discover is trying to see other women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The person who writes this blog is one intelligent, bright woman!  She&#8217;s got this down pat!  I think EXACTLY what she articulates, so perhaps that is why I am in complete agreement.  Even if not, at least it does accomplish one thing:  to make women think about whether or not the man she is giving her time (which is her life) to is engaging in unacceptable behavior.</p>
<p>My dignity comes first.  Thank goodness for that.  Even if I am in pain over not continuing to see the man, at least I don&#8217;t put up with crap.  I will NOT continue to be sexually intimate with a man that I discover is trying to see other women.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Dragonfly14, 
 
You had sounded like you were coping well.  My specific concern was what lesson in relationships, parenting, and how and when to choose a mate that your daughter is learning.

I was thinking of the counseling not so much as &quot;do this to heal&quot;, as an assistant in identifying all the needed questions, and help sorting out the priorities.

Luck.
.-= Brad K.&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/08/14/tslr-survival-prep-and-choosing-a-spouse/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tslr: Survival Prep, and choosing a spouse&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dragonfly14, </p>
<p>You had sounded like you were coping well.  My specific concern was what lesson in relationships, parenting, and how and when to choose a mate that your daughter is learning.</p>
<p>I was thinking of the counseling not so much as &#8220;do this to heal&#8221;, as an assistant in identifying all the needed questions, and help sorting out the priorities.</p>
<p>Luck.<br />
.-= Brad K.&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/08/14/tslr-survival-prep-and-choosing-a-spouse/" rel="nofollow">tslr: Survival Prep, and choosing a spouse</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Dragonfly14</title>
		<link>http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/are-men-really-like-rubber-bands-erno-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-240035</link>
		<dc:creator>Dragonfly14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some interesting comments there Brad......my daughter has a very full life, and is involved i lots of activitities, including endless sleepovers, girl guides, dance classes etc. We did indeed have a beautiful black labrador as a pet, who very sadly died just before&#039;the breakup&#039;....very traumatic  time for us, as he had previously  been such a lively part of our family, and he became ill so quickly, he had been part of our family since my daughter was  a baby so she didn&#039;t know life without him....so there has been a double loss here, and the man who previously had been so involved with us, kind and caring in every way, chose to be somewhere else when he was needed most here.  So a hard lesson.  We have wonderful family and friends, so I am ever grateful for them. and I guess really that time will be the healer, and my overal lconclusion is that &#039;the man in question&#039; was not good enough for me as he didn&#039;t step up to the plate in a crisis, which is a very good indicator of his strength of character, and his lack of commitment....I think your suggestion about a counsellor or pastor is certainly valid, tho I&#039;m beginning to regain strength in this adverse situation, and will plough myown furrow on the road to recovery.  this forum certainly helps as you know there is a whole world of people going through similar anguish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting comments there Brad&#8230;&#8230;my daughter has a very full life, and is involved i lots of activitities, including endless sleepovers, girl guides, dance classes etc. We did indeed have a beautiful black labrador as a pet, who very sadly died just before&#8217;the breakup&#8217;&#8230;.very traumatic  time for us, as he had previously  been such a lively part of our family, and he became ill so quickly, he had been part of our family since my daughter was  a baby so she didn&#8217;t know life without him&#8230;.so there has been a double loss here, and the man who previously had been so involved with us, kind and caring in every way, chose to be somewhere else when he was needed most here.  So a hard lesson.  We have wonderful family and friends, so I am ever grateful for them. and I guess really that time will be the healer, and my overal lconclusion is that &#8216;the man in question&#8217; was not good enough for me as he didn&#8217;t step up to the plate in a crisis, which is a very good indicator of his strength of character, and his lack of commitment&#8230;.I think your suggestion about a counsellor or pastor is certainly valid, tho I&#8217;m beginning to regain strength in this adverse situation, and will plough myown furrow on the road to recovery.  this forum certainly helps as you know there is a whole world of people going through similar anguish.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Dragonfly14,

Being a single parent has to be about as tough a task as can be.  There is no place for your girl to learn about relationships as thoroughly as what she learns at home.

Hopefully she appreciates the dangers of the Knight in Shining Armor fantasy, and learns that a bozo will remain a bozo, or EUM, or abusive, undisciplined - lacking character - forever.  But I hope she also learns, in her heart as well as hearing it said, that there are men of good character interested and able to be a good mate an parent.  And that she is going to be the one that has to decide if being with one guy or another is good for her.

Any time someone opens their heart and home to someone they hope will share lives with them, will be a comfort and support as well as someone that needs another to make a home, I pray that the choice of companion is a good choice.  Because our action, our choices, affect friends and family as examples and as joys or tears we bring to those we love.

I read about women that use their kids to get dates, as well as those that won&#039;t let the man in their life contact the kids directly.  Both approaches appear to avoid some dangers, but both I think are extreme.  A parent has to realize that everyone in their life affects the kids directly, indirectly, or both, regardless of whether the person in question ever meets the kids.  &quot;If Mama isn&#039;t happy, no one is happy,&quot; is true for all adults and parents.

If I had my druthers, I would say that moving on, getting past the pain, is important at first.  But very quickly the point has to be moving to a good place.  And any time you have a destination, you have enough work to do to fill up any life time.  Instead of thinking of time you used to spend elsewhere, consider what you need to accomplish today, this year, and in the next ten years.  Consider what you need to do to know that you never need to put up with immature and undisciplined crap in your life. Consider what your daughter, the rest of your family, and your friends could use from you.  Consider whether a pet - an inside cat or dog - might provide a source of need and comfort to help your daughter&#039;s emotional growth and your own healing.  Perhaps a counselor or pastor visit might help you discover priorities and opportunities - or issues you have been reluctant to face that are holding you back. Consider whether you could be a little bit - not a lot! - more active in your kid&#039;s life, such as bowling or movie parties, exchanging home overnighters with friends, family or family and friends dinners.

Really, time is the limiting factor, not finding ways to fill it.  

Blessed be.
.-= Brad K.&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/08/20/ps-empowering-girls-and-self-confidence/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ps: Empowering girls, and self confidence&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dragonfly14,</p>
<p>Being a single parent has to be about as tough a task as can be.  There is no place for your girl to learn about relationships as thoroughly as what she learns at home.</p>
<p>Hopefully she appreciates the dangers of the Knight in Shining Armor fantasy, and learns that a bozo will remain a bozo, or EUM, or abusive, undisciplined &#8211; lacking character &#8211; forever.  But I hope she also learns, in her heart as well as hearing it said, that there are men of good character interested and able to be a good mate an parent.  And that she is going to be the one that has to decide if being with one guy or another is good for her.</p>
<p>Any time someone opens their heart and home to someone they hope will share lives with them, will be a comfort and support as well as someone that needs another to make a home, I pray that the choice of companion is a good choice.  Because our action, our choices, affect friends and family as examples and as joys or tears we bring to those we love.</p>
<p>I read about women that use their kids to get dates, as well as those that won&#8217;t let the man in their life contact the kids directly.  Both approaches appear to avoid some dangers, but both I think are extreme.  A parent has to realize that everyone in their life affects the kids directly, indirectly, or both, regardless of whether the person in question ever meets the kids.  &#8220;If Mama isn&#8217;t happy, no one is happy,&#8221; is true for all adults and parents.</p>
<p>If I had my druthers, I would say that moving on, getting past the pain, is important at first.  But very quickly the point has to be moving to a good place.  And any time you have a destination, you have enough work to do to fill up any life time.  Instead of thinking of time you used to spend elsewhere, consider what you need to accomplish today, this year, and in the next ten years.  Consider what you need to do to know that you never need to put up with immature and undisciplined crap in your life. Consider what your daughter, the rest of your family, and your friends could use from you.  Consider whether a pet &#8211; an inside cat or dog &#8211; might provide a source of need and comfort to help your daughter&#8217;s emotional growth and your own healing.  Perhaps a counselor or pastor visit might help you discover priorities and opportunities &#8211; or issues you have been reluctant to face that are holding you back. Consider whether you could be a little bit &#8211; not a lot! &#8211; more active in your kid&#8217;s life, such as bowling or movie parties, exchanging home overnighters with friends, family or family and friends dinners.</p>
<p>Really, time is the limiting factor, not finding ways to fill it.  </p>
<p>Blessed be.<br />
.-= Brad K.&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/08/20/ps-empowering-girls-and-self-confidence/" rel="nofollow">ps: Empowering girls, and self confidence</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Dragonfly14</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dragonfly14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brad K,

Thanks for your comments on my situation.  As with a lot of us on here it seems we knew it wasn&#039;t a life-long relationship, just holding on hoping....i should mention that during my relationship with &#039;him&#039; he lost his Father, after a long illness, needless to say I was by his side through that.  Within days of his fathers funeral, everything changed, as though he now had freedom to pursue some of the interests he had been unable to do.  So not only was he flaky in his &#039;dumping&#039; he used me as an emotional crutch.  We have broken up before more than once, due to a past  relationship of his, someone he was involved with who wasn&#039;t going away, but at the same time was never going to commit to being with him.  So it was no easy ride dealing with the constant presence of someone from his past.
So an absolute mess really.  Amazing that he spent so many hours , days, nights weekends etc with me.......and I have a duaghter of 11 too, who he drew into the whole picture, with his family etc etc.  So these are tough times..........and i&#039;m on the 30th day of no contact...I think it&#039;s 3o anyway, so that must be progress of some sort.
Read so many articles on moving on my head is buzzing......I think the hardest part of it all is......filling all that time you spent with someone with new things to do.
really appreciate your reply xx Dragonfly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brad K,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments on my situation.  As with a lot of us on here it seems we knew it wasn&#8217;t a life-long relationship, just holding on hoping&#8230;.i should mention that during my relationship with &#8216;him&#8217; he lost his Father, after a long illness, needless to say I was by his side through that.  Within days of his fathers funeral, everything changed, as though he now had freedom to pursue some of the interests he had been unable to do.  So not only was he flaky in his &#8216;dumping&#8217; he used me as an emotional crutch.  We have broken up before more than once, due to a past  relationship of his, someone he was involved with who wasn&#8217;t going away, but at the same time was never going to commit to being with him.  So it was no easy ride dealing with the constant presence of someone from his past.<br />
So an absolute mess really.  Amazing that he spent so many hours , days, nights weekends etc with me&#8230;&#8230;.and I have a duaghter of 11 too, who he drew into the whole picture, with his family etc etc.  So these are tough times&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.and i&#8217;m on the 30th day of no contact&#8230;I think it&#8217;s 3o anyway, so that must be progress of some sort.<br />
Read so many articles on moving on my head is buzzing&#8230;&#8230;I think the hardest part of it all is&#8230;&#8230;filling all that time you spent with someone with new things to do.<br />
really appreciate your reply xx Dragonfly</p>
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		<title>By: Brad K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dragonfly14,

On the face of it he ended the &quot;relationship&quot;.  He didn&#039;t so much pull back as leave.  Rather than be clear about his change, he was a bit flaky in hinting that you had been dumped.

If he could end his time with you this way, it doesn&#039;t seem likely he ever felt he was with you.  He sounds like a perpetual dater, and he figured the date was over.  If you were looking for a shared life or life-long companion - Sorry.
.-= Brad K.&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/08/13/br-the-practice-doll/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;br: The practice doll&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dragonfly14,</p>
<p>On the face of it he ended the &#8220;relationship&#8221;.  He didn&#8217;t so much pull back as leave.  Rather than be clear about his change, he was a bit flaky in hinting that you had been dumped.</p>
<p>If he could end his time with you this way, it doesn&#8217;t seem likely he ever felt he was with you.  He sounds like a perpetual dater, and he figured the date was over.  If you were looking for a shared life or life-long companion &#8211; Sorry.<br />
.-= Brad K.&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/08/13/br-the-practice-doll/" rel="nofollow">br: The practice doll</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Dragonfly14</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dragonfly14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 08:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>looking at all the comments on the subject of &#039;rubber band men&#039; thought i would add my experience here to get some feedback hopefully.....ok here goes.....I ended a relationship with someone about 4 weeks ago, and i&#039;m in the no contact mode now and struggling as most of us do....only way forward for me though, as i don&#039;t want to remain friends and here what he is doing in his life.  After being together approx 15 months he changed the dynamic of our relationship without discussion, and began to pull away, so every conversation by phone was about his big plans etc etc, none of which included me, then promptly asked what my plans were, and indeed what my &#039;life goal&#039; was.....so the messsage I was receiving here was.....we are now friends and he wants to do his own thing mostly, but keep me dangling by text and phone without actually planning for us to spend any time together.  Does anyone think this was &#039;rubber band action&#039;, or him simply pulling away from the relationship as it was.  I didn&#039;t hang around to find out, as the hurt was too much, so fo me that was the end.  Love to hear what you all think</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>looking at all the comments on the subject of &#8216;rubber band men&#8217; thought i would add my experience here to get some feedback hopefully&#8230;..ok here goes&#8230;..I ended a relationship with someone about 4 weeks ago, and i&#8217;m in the no contact mode now and struggling as most of us do&#8230;.only way forward for me though, as i don&#8217;t want to remain friends and here what he is doing in his life.  After being together approx 15 months he changed the dynamic of our relationship without discussion, and began to pull away, so every conversation by phone was about his big plans etc etc, none of which included me, then promptly asked what my plans were, and indeed what my &#8216;life goal&#8217; was&#8230;..so the messsage I was receiving here was&#8230;..we are now friends and he wants to do his own thing mostly, but keep me dangling by text and phone without actually planning for us to spend any time together.  Does anyone think this was &#8216;rubber band action&#8217;, or him simply pulling away from the relationship as it was.  I didn&#8217;t hang around to find out, as the hurt was too much, so fo me that was the end.  Love to hear what you all think</p>
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		<title>By: jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to this article! Why are we always getting advice on how to adapt to men&#039;s inadequacies? Yes, we all need alone time. When I need autonomy I say, &quot;Hey, I just need a few days to myself,&quot; rather than expecting a guy to wait until I decide to call him. Can men not be as courteous? Must we wait around playing &#039;mind reader&#039; while they have their alone time? All they have to do is say what they mean and mean what they say...that they just need some time alone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to this article! Why are we always getting advice on how to adapt to men&#8217;s inadequacies? Yes, we all need alone time. When I need autonomy I say, &#8220;Hey, I just need a few days to myself,&#8221; rather than expecting a guy to wait until I decide to call him. Can men not be as courteous? Must we wait around playing &#8216;mind reader&#8217; while they have their alone time? All they have to do is say what they mean and mean what they say&#8230;that they just need some time alone!</p>
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		<title>By: Brad K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Truthhurts, do *not* depend solely on electronic communications.  There are physical things that occur when we are near other bodies - smell, pheromones, visual and audible cues are exchanged.  How one keeps house, chooses clothes, what hospitality is extended (or not) gives clues to culture and values - things that are critical in deciding to befriend another.  You cannot depend on what one says to evaluate their beliefs, values, or character.  And you cannot &quot;read&quot; the physical things unless you are face to face.  Besides, rubbing shoulders, touching hands, exchanging smiles - these are tough to do online, and make life worth living.

We need our contacts with neighbors and community to network, to help others and to be helped and supported.  And sometimes we absolutely have to back away from the information density of the online world, to live again at an interpersonal pace of life and communication.

Peace.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Brad K.â€™s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/05/06/family-n-child-n-culture-of-the-home/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The family, the child, and the culture of the home&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Truthhurts, do *not* depend solely on electronic communications.  There are physical things that occur when we are near other bodies &#8211; smell, pheromones, visual and audible cues are exchanged.  How one keeps house, chooses clothes, what hospitality is extended (or not) gives clues to culture and values &#8211; things that are critical in deciding to befriend another.  You cannot depend on what one says to evaluate their beliefs, values, or character.  And you cannot &#8220;read&#8221; the physical things unless you are face to face.  Besides, rubbing shoulders, touching hands, exchanging smiles &#8211; these are tough to do online, and make life worth living.</p>
<p>We need our contacts with neighbors and community to network, to help others and to be helped and supported.  And sometimes we absolutely have to back away from the information density of the online world, to live again at an interpersonal pace of life and communication.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Brad K.â€™s last blog post..<a href="http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/05/06/family-n-child-n-culture-of-the-home/" rel="nofollow">The family, the child, and the culture of the home</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I had read this last year when I was going through an awful long distance relationship. I had borrowed the book from my sister and was dating a guy who in the beginning said he loved me, talked about the future, etc., only to retreat time and again. After reading the book, I thought well maybe that&#039;s just how men are and I need to give him some space. I thought it was ME being too demanding, needy, when in fact my GUT was on red alert trying to tell me something was not right. It was a very sick, destructive relationship that I put an end to after 8 months. He had an advantage in that it was a long distance thing and he could portray himself anyway he liked. I really thought he was the guy I had waited for my whole life and he turned out to be a total nightmare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I had read this last year when I was going through an awful long distance relationship. I had borrowed the book from my sister and was dating a guy who in the beginning said he loved me, talked about the future, etc., only to retreat time and again. After reading the book, I thought well maybe that&#8217;s just how men are and I need to give him some space. I thought it was ME being too demanding, needy, when in fact my GUT was on red alert trying to tell me something was not right. It was a very sick, destructive relationship that I put an end to after 8 months. He had an advantage in that it was a long distance thing and he could portray himself anyway he liked. I really thought he was the guy I had waited for my whole life and he turned out to be a total nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: truthhurts</title>
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		<dc:creator>truthhurts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, thanks for your reply. I do have friends, and some very good ones too. But you know how it is, you want that special someone who holds you at night. Who gives affection, also physical. And with my friends all settled itÂ´s not allways possible to reach someone when you need them. Or ask a girlfriend to sleepover at a whim because I need a night filled with girltalk and icecream...  And so sometimes I feel lonely and vonerable.. and then the EUM comes to mind.. IÂ´ll manage, I havenÂ´t contacted him and I donÂ´t intend to. 
But you are absolutely right, it certainly helps to have some contact with someone at those times. 
I go to this forum where we talk about food, lifestyle, gossip, whatever. It is a big forum so there is allways someone there and it does give some distaction and human interaction at times that I canÂ´t meet with friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, thanks for your reply. I do have friends, and some very good ones too. But you know how it is, you want that special someone who holds you at night. Who gives affection, also physical. And with my friends all settled itÂ´s not allways possible to reach someone when you need them. Or ask a girlfriend to sleepover at a whim because I need a night filled with girltalk and icecream&#8230;  And so sometimes I feel lonely and vonerable.. and then the EUM comes to mind.. IÂ´ll manage, I havenÂ´t contacted him and I donÂ´t intend to.<br />
But you are absolutely right, it certainly helps to have some contact with someone at those times.<br />
I go to this forum where we talk about food, lifestyle, gossip, whatever. It is a big forum so there is allways someone there and it does give some distaction and human interaction at times that I canÂ´t meet with friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>truthhurts,

You gotta have friends.
  http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/guest-post-you-gotta-have-friends-and-you-gotta-have-respect/

Standing on your own is rarely the best plan.  We need friends, people to share life&#039;s secrets, problems, and to help plan solutions.  Someone to share joy and tears with.  People of character, that keep us striving to be better than we have been.

One of the hallmarks of an assclown and EUM is they tend to isolate their victims . . . er, their &quot;partners&quot;.  They get you to cut off close ties to friends and family and neighbors.  They have an instinctive need to have you to themselves - so they don&#039;t risk someone you trust telling you he is harming you.

Now, while you are trying to overcome the issues that let this bozo into your life, you haven&#039;t finished rebuilding the kind of family and community contact network that let people enjoy life, weather storms, and grow.

Overcoming isolation in your life is a (scary!) deliberate act, required to free yourself from his influence and the sacrifices you made to be what he wanted.  Not only that, you will have other resources and people to turn to, that deserve more respect than a former EUM, and that you can trust and respect.

Luck!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Brad K.â€™s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/05/06/family-n-child-n-culture-of-the-home/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The family, the child, and the culture of the home&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>truthhurts,</p>
<p>You gotta have friends.<br />
  <a href="http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/guest-post-you-gotta-have-friends-and-you-gotta-have-respect/" rel="nofollow">http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/guest-post-you-gotta-have-friends-and-you-gotta-have-respect/</a></p>
<p>Standing on your own is rarely the best plan.  We need friends, people to share life&#8217;s secrets, problems, and to help plan solutions.  Someone to share joy and tears with.  People of character, that keep us striving to be better than we have been.</p>
<p>One of the hallmarks of an assclown and EUM is they tend to isolate their victims . . . er, their &#8220;partners&#8221;.  They get you to cut off close ties to friends and family and neighbors.  They have an instinctive need to have you to themselves &#8211; so they don&#8217;t risk someone you trust telling you he is harming you.</p>
<p>Now, while you are trying to overcome the issues that let this bozo into your life, you haven&#8217;t finished rebuilding the kind of family and community contact network that let people enjoy life, weather storms, and grow.</p>
<p>Overcoming isolation in your life is a (scary!) deliberate act, required to free yourself from his influence and the sacrifices you made to be what he wanted.  Not only that, you will have other resources and people to turn to, that deserve more respect than a former EUM, and that you can trust and respect.</p>
<p>Luck!</p>
<p><abbr><em>Brad K.â€™s last blog post..<a href="http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/05/06/family-n-child-n-culture-of-the-home/" rel="nofollow">The family, the child, and the culture of the home</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: truthhurts</title>
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		<dc:creator>truthhurts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like a rubber band myself right now. Have succesfully ditched the EUM months ago and was feeling good. But now I found out that my current crush just shagged another girl this weekend. 
Nothing happened yet between me and the crush cause I wisened up and was careful (thanks NML!) but still  I feel kinda down and as if I am not good enough. 
And guess what.. I suddenly have this urge to get in contact with the past EUM. Maybe because I know he will welome me back with open arms. At least for a moment.

That only shows that girls who hang out with EUMs have low selfesteem. The minute my selfesteem gets a dent I feel like running to the EUM. 

Maybe that is how it works for them too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like a rubber band myself right now. Have succesfully ditched the EUM months ago and was feeling good. But now I found out that my current crush just shagged another girl this weekend.<br />
Nothing happened yet between me and the crush cause I wisened up and was careful (thanks NML!) but still  I feel kinda down and as if I am not good enough.<br />
And guess what.. I suddenly have this urge to get in contact with the past EUM. Maybe because I know he will welome me back with open arms. At least for a moment.</p>
<p>That only shows that girls who hang out with EUMs have low selfesteem. The minute my selfesteem gets a dent I feel like running to the EUM. </p>
<p>Maybe that is how it works for them too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brad K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kaiako - not completing things shows a lack of discipline.  Which is related to loyalty, dedication, and honor.

The &quot;surrendered wife&quot; sounds great - assuming, of course, that the husband is worth the effort, and makes the surrender rewarding for his wife.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Brad K.â€™s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/04/15/for-a-happy-marriage-look-for-the-smile/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;For a happy marriage â€“ look for the smile.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kaiako &#8211; not completing things shows a lack of discipline.  Which is related to loyalty, dedication, and honor.</p>
<p>The &#8220;surrendered wife&#8221; sounds great &#8211; assuming, of course, that the husband is worth the effort, and makes the surrender rewarding for his wife.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Brad K.â€™s last blog post..<a href="http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/04/15/for-a-happy-marriage-look-for-the-smile/" rel="nofollow">For a happy marriage â€“ look for the smile.</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: kaiako</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaiako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like most women here I read the M v V series and tried real hard to take on board the tenets. I even tried to practice what he talked about - giving space and time for the caving, being even more accomodating - all it achieved was an even more unequal balance between us - him up and me down so I quickly ditched it :) Same for the &#039;Surrendered wife&#039; ideas - gosh I sound like a relationship books junkie :) Always working on myself and where does it get us? I was rather shocked to see his true academic history - the back of his books make it sound like he attended Ivy League schools all the way! I am always a bit suspicious of those who study a lot in a mainstream establishment yet leave with no qualifications ... shows a lack of something - committment maybe or stamina?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like most women here I read the M v V series and tried real hard to take on board the tenets. I even tried to practice what he talked about &#8211; giving space and time for the caving, being even more accomodating &#8211; all it achieved was an even more unequal balance between us &#8211; him up and me down so I quickly ditched it <img src='http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Same for the &#8216;Surrendered wife&#8217; ideas &#8211; gosh I sound like a relationship books junkie <img src='http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Always working on myself and where does it get us? I was rather shocked to see his true academic history &#8211; the back of his books make it sound like he attended Ivy League schools all the way! I am always a bit suspicious of those who study a lot in a mainstream establishment yet leave with no qualifications &#8230; shows a lack of something &#8211; committment maybe or stamina?</p>
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