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		<title>By: canali</title>
		<link>http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/are-we-giving-up-on-love/comment-page-2/#comment-254162</link>
		<dc:creator>canali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 01:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you generalize against guys wayyyy too much....you make us to be cold hearted &#039;easy to move&#039; on dufus&#039;...and that&#039;s not true at all....you gals are blessed in being raised to open up and share your emotions of heartache with one another...vs us guys in which this isn&#039;t a cool thing at all (despite being told it&#039;s ok to nowadays)...instead we suck it up and stuff it down for the most part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you generalize against guys wayyyy too much&#8230;.you make us to be cold hearted &#8216;easy to move&#8217; on dufus&#8217;&#8230;and that&#8217;s not true at all&#8230;.you gals are blessed in being raised to open up and share your emotions of heartache with one another&#8230;vs us guys in which this isn&#8217;t a cool thing at all (despite being told it&#8217;s ok to nowadays)&#8230;instead we suck it up and stuff it down for the most part.</p>
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		<title>By: NML</title>
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		<dc:creator>NML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baggage Reclaim now has its own &lt;a href=&quot;http://baggagereclaim.ning.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;social network &lt;/a&gt;where you can create groups and set up forum topics and even chat with other members. This has been set up so that lengthier more personal discussions can take place without causing disruption to the comments.

I have now reopened comments on this post - please ensure that any new comments are on topic and in line with the guidelines which are highlighted at the top of the comments box. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baggage Reclaim now has its own <a href="http://baggagereclaim.ning.com/" rel="nofollow">social network </a>where you can create groups and set up forum topics and even chat with other members. This has been set up so that lengthier more personal discussions can take place without causing disruption to the comments.</p>
<p>I have now reopened comments on this post &#8211; please ensure that any new comments are on topic and in line with the guidelines which are highlighted at the top of the comments box. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Brad K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pigsly,

I think the point here is that you tried idiots and bozos before.  Now is the time to bolster your self confidence, and start checking a guy&#039;s character, before whatever you have been checking out.

Being more active, connecting and interacting with more people may help with the depression.  Paul Harvey claimed that someone&#039;s research found that listening to rock music worked faster and was more effective that anti-depressants.  Another thing - look at the lighting in your home.  Depressed people often prefer shade and darkness.  Deliberately letting in more light can make a big difference.  Sleep patterns are another place to look - make sure your sleep area is dead dark.  Even a night light can affect your sleep, sleeping with TV or lights on definitely ambush that healing sleep.  Ask at your pharmacy about melatonin, taken in the evening it can help make sleep patterns more regular.

What I really meant to say, before I got side-tracked, was that sometimes we need a break to heal.  But we have to work at healing, too.  Once the initial freedom-from-pain hits, we have to work on rehabilitation, getting reflexes and strength back in line to go on with life.  That may be with a partner, or may not.  In either case, you will be better suited to proceed with life with a good understanding and belief in yourself.  For one thing, if you believe in yourself, you won&#039;t tell a guy that gives you crap to stop - you will tell him to hit the road, permanently.  Call it boundaries, call it self esteem and values, character - there is a world of things to see and do, before deciding you don&#039;t dare try love again.

Luck.
.-= Brad K.&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/08/11/br-comments-on-compatibility-your-type-and-common-interests-part-4/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;br: Comments on Compatibility, Your Type, and Common Interests part 4&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pigsly,</p>
<p>I think the point here is that you tried idiots and bozos before.  Now is the time to bolster your self confidence, and start checking a guy&#8217;s character, before whatever you have been checking out.</p>
<p>Being more active, connecting and interacting with more people may help with the depression.  Paul Harvey claimed that someone&#8217;s research found that listening to rock music worked faster and was more effective that anti-depressants.  Another thing &#8211; look at the lighting in your home.  Depressed people often prefer shade and darkness.  Deliberately letting in more light can make a big difference.  Sleep patterns are another place to look &#8211; make sure your sleep area is dead dark.  Even a night light can affect your sleep, sleeping with TV or lights on definitely ambush that healing sleep.  Ask at your pharmacy about melatonin, taken in the evening it can help make sleep patterns more regular.</p>
<p>What I really meant to say, before I got side-tracked, was that sometimes we need a break to heal.  But we have to work at healing, too.  Once the initial freedom-from-pain hits, we have to work on rehabilitation, getting reflexes and strength back in line to go on with life.  That may be with a partner, or may not.  In either case, you will be better suited to proceed with life with a good understanding and belief in yourself.  For one thing, if you believe in yourself, you won&#8217;t tell a guy that gives you crap to stop &#8211; you will tell him to hit the road, permanently.  Call it boundaries, call it self esteem and values, character &#8211; there is a world of things to see and do, before deciding you don&#8217;t dare try love again.</p>
<p>Luck.<br />
.-= Brad K.&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/08/11/br-comments-on-compatibility-your-type-and-common-interests-part-4/" rel="nofollow">br: Comments on Compatibility, Your Type, and Common Interests part 4</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: pigsly</title>
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		<dc:creator>pigsly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before reading this I was feeling pretty low. Its been exactly a year since I have been out with any men of any description. I just had to stop dating because I was seeing a parade of idiots. I thought it would be better to retreat and focus on having a happy life. 
During this time my little sister got married and my older sister has found the man of her dreams and is moving in with him next week. And my happily married best friend had a baby. Meanwhile, I have gained weight and got depressed. However, there are two ways I can think about this- poor me will never find love or have kids- or- my sisters and best friend have proved there are men out there who are decent so its not completely hopeless. Yeh its lonely but at the moment there is nothing I can do about it. Except go back to dating scumbags and there is no way I will do that. I do feel like I have given up on love - romantic love with a man. But at least I&#039;m not kidding myself any more. I feel lost a lot of the time but some of these posts have made me think that I worry too much about the future instead of just enjoying the present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before reading this I was feeling pretty low. Its been exactly a year since I have been out with any men of any description. I just had to stop dating because I was seeing a parade of idiots. I thought it would be better to retreat and focus on having a happy life.<br />
During this time my little sister got married and my older sister has found the man of her dreams and is moving in with him next week. And my happily married best friend had a baby. Meanwhile, I have gained weight and got depressed. However, there are two ways I can think about this- poor me will never find love or have kids- or- my sisters and best friend have proved there are men out there who are decent so its not completely hopeless. Yeh its lonely but at the moment there is nothing I can do about it. Except go back to dating scumbags and there is no way I will do that. I do feel like I have given up on love &#8211; romantic love with a man. But at least I&#8217;m not kidding myself any more. I feel lost a lot of the time but some of these posts have made me think that I worry too much about the future instead of just enjoying the present.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 08:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think most men really care about relationships and certainly not the way women do.

With so many women willing to play house with a man, there is no incentive for a man to have anything really long term.

I think many can have the 3-7 year relationships and then move on to another model when the are bored.

Women give the men everything without them having to make a commitment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think most men really care about relationships and certainly not the way women do.</p>
<p>With so many women willing to play house with a man, there is no incentive for a man to have anything really long term.</p>
<p>I think many can have the 3-7 year relationships and then move on to another model when the are bored.</p>
<p>Women give the men everything without them having to make a commitment.</p>
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		<title>By: truthhurts</title>
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		<dc:creator>truthhurts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks NML! Just started dating again and am noticing myself thinking in terms of &#039;the one&#039;  and letting myself go insecure over these guys. Needed to hear this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks NML! Just started dating again and am noticing myself thinking in terms of &#8216;the one&#8217;  and letting myself go insecure over these guys. Needed to hear this.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Serena,

&quot;What I donâ€™t understand is why the EUM wants to hang on and keeps coming back to preserve a relationship the heâ€™s â€œmanaged downâ€&quot;.

What I meant to say was that to be healthy, we have to recognize that sometimes things end.  We move on as best we can.  Healthy adults should have learned that living in the past denying what went before and what ended, wastes our time, our effort, our love, and is unfair to those we cherish.

Why does the EUM hang on past the bitter end, grasping to renew the dregs of what might have been?  Mostly because he doesn&#039;t know any better.  Partly because he fears having to start over, partly because losing &quot;control of his wimmin&quot; is unmanly and tarnishes his self image and reputation.  And, yes, I do think such a dude deserves pity and not condemnation, as long as you keep a safe enough distance away.  Three states seems to be about the right distance.


@ SomethingSomethingDarkSide,

You said, &quot;And itâ€™s funny that so many of these unavailable assclowns have hundreds of friends on their space. Theyâ€™ll post very vague, ambiguous statements on random pages.&quot;

I consider most EUM&#039;s to be perpetual daters.  People with no concept of home, no interest in sharing lives, and resentful of anything that might interfere with their next date.  Their life-skill of winning bed partners is *important* to them, and they continue to practice up for the rest of their lives.

If you want a puppy to enrich your home, get a puppy, not a cat.  If you want a life-mate, run away from the bed-partner chasers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Serena,</p>
<p>&#8220;What I donâ€™t understand is why the EUM wants to hang on and keeps coming back to preserve a relationship the heâ€™s â€œmanaged downâ€&#8221;.</p>
<p>What I meant to say was that to be healthy, we have to recognize that sometimes things end.  We move on as best we can.  Healthy adults should have learned that living in the past denying what went before and what ended, wastes our time, our effort, our love, and is unfair to those we cherish.</p>
<p>Why does the EUM hang on past the bitter end, grasping to renew the dregs of what might have been?  Mostly because he doesn&#8217;t know any better.  Partly because he fears having to start over, partly because losing &#8220;control of his wimmin&#8221; is unmanly and tarnishes his self image and reputation.  And, yes, I do think such a dude deserves pity and not condemnation, as long as you keep a safe enough distance away.  Three states seems to be about the right distance.</p>
<p>@ SomethingSomethingDarkSide,</p>
<p>You said, &#8220;And itâ€™s funny that so many of these unavailable assclowns have hundreds of friends on their space. Theyâ€™ll post very vague, ambiguous statements on random pages.&#8221;</p>
<p>I consider most EUM&#8217;s to be perpetual daters.  People with no concept of home, no interest in sharing lives, and resentful of anything that might interfere with their next date.  Their life-skill of winning bed partners is *important* to them, and they continue to practice up for the rest of their lives.</p>
<p>If you want a puppy to enrich your home, get a puppy, not a cat.  If you want a life-mate, run away from the bed-partner chasers.</p>
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		<title>By: Meant to be Happy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meant to be Happy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Butterfly

&quot;when he was saying he should have a right to decide who he saw or not he meant *me* i.e. that I had no right to deprive him of the right to choose to dump me&quot; - wow, what an ego. Not to mention that he likes to &quot;objectify&quot; women by calling them (us) &quot;birds&quot;, and by telling *you* all about the pretty women he saw. Hmmmm, not sure I&#039;d want compliments from this man either, no matter how hot he was blowing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Butterfly</p>
<p>&#8220;when he was saying he should have a right to decide who he saw or not he meant *me* i.e. that I had no right to deprive him of the right to choose to dump me&#8221; &#8211; wow, what an ego. Not to mention that he likes to &#8220;objectify&#8221; women by calling them (us) &#8220;birds&#8221;, and by telling *you* all about the pretty women he saw. Hmmmm, not sure I&#8217;d want compliments from this man either, no matter how hot he was blowing!</p>
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		<title>By: annied</title>
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		<dc:creator>annied</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NML ... you are on a roll. Your words are inspiring - here, recently, they have touched me deeply.

I&#039;m beginning to wonder if this is because you have been touched by super-inspiration or because I am finally ABLE to really understand - deep inside my heart and soul - what ou are saying and what the truth really is ...

Maybe I&#039;m healing after all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NML &#8230; you are on a roll. Your words are inspiring &#8211; here, recently, they have touched me deeply.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m beginning to wonder if this is because you have been touched by super-inspiration or because I am finally ABLE to really understand &#8211; deep inside my heart and soul &#8211; what ou are saying and what the truth really is &#8230;</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m healing after all?</p>
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		<title>By: Butterfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Butterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to repost, just to clarify - when he was saying he should have a right to decide who he saw or not he meant *me* i.e. that I had no right to deprive him of the right to choose to dump me.  I wish these posts could be edited!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to repost, just to clarify &#8211; when he was saying he should have a right to decide who he saw or not he meant *me* i.e. that I had no right to deprive him of the right to choose to dump me.  I wish these posts could be edited!</p>
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		<title>By: Butterfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Butterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Brad &quot;Consider a toddler, tottering from one bright and shiny object of attention to the next. Some are delights, some are terrors, and none hold the attention for more than moments.&quot; Wonderful, thank you.  If I had been listening I&#039;d have listened to &quot;I am easily distracted by shiny things.  I dunno, I chase butterflies, it&#039;s a miracle I haven&#039;t been run over in the road&quot; and HEARD what it said instead of thinking he was being cute ... &quot;Shallow&quot; ... yep, you said it.

@Meant - hi sweetie.  They DO blow hotter than normal - it&#039;s now become one of my red flags.  Case in point a week or two ago &quot;You better get used to compliments because there are going to be a lot of them&quot; sayeth he ... sounds great doesn&#039;t it?  I was instantly wary - next time we talked (and i mean the next time) he was all &quot;there were loads of really pretty girls there&quot; and telling me about the &quot;birds&quot; - I ended it not too much later and he was furious saying that he should have a say in who he saw or not ... I was quite sad about this as I thought we would have a lot to talk about (and we would have, and I think we know where it would lead, right?)

@Serena. Something ... yeah he talked about his exes ALL the bloody time.  I actually said to him the first time I walked that I hoped I wasn&#039;t going to become one of his sob stories (&quot;she wanted me but she married someone else&quot; was one which came up twice and made me go HMMM but I didn&#039;t listen to my instincts ... never again!!!!).  I&#039;ll be &quot;She wanted me but then she left and went to a country in Europe&quot; no doubt.  Idiot :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Brad &#8220;Consider a toddler, tottering from one bright and shiny object of attention to the next. Some are delights, some are terrors, and none hold the attention for more than moments.&#8221; Wonderful, thank you.  If I had been listening I&#8217;d have listened to &#8220;I am easily distracted by shiny things.  I dunno, I chase butterflies, it&#8217;s a miracle I haven&#8217;t been run over in the road&#8221; and HEARD what it said instead of thinking he was being cute &#8230; &#8220;Shallow&#8221; &#8230; yep, you said it.</p>
<p>@Meant &#8211; hi sweetie.  They DO blow hotter than normal &#8211; it&#8217;s now become one of my red flags.  Case in point a week or two ago &#8220;You better get used to compliments because there are going to be a lot of them&#8221; sayeth he &#8230; sounds great doesn&#8217;t it?  I was instantly wary &#8211; next time we talked (and i mean the next time) he was all &#8220;there were loads of really pretty girls there&#8221; and telling me about the &#8220;birds&#8221; &#8211; I ended it not too much later and he was furious saying that he should have a say in who he saw or not &#8230; I was quite sad about this as I thought we would have a lot to talk about (and we would have, and I think we know where it would lead, right?)</p>
<p>@Serena. Something &#8230; yeah he talked about his exes ALL the bloody time.  I actually said to him the first time I walked that I hoped I wasn&#8217;t going to become one of his sob stories (&#8220;she wanted me but she married someone else&#8221; was one which came up twice and made me go HMMM but I didn&#8217;t listen to my instincts &#8230; never again!!!!).  I&#8217;ll be &#8220;She wanted me but then she left and went to a country in Europe&#8221; no doubt.  Idiot <img src='http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Serena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@SomethingSomethingDarkSide -- You said, &quot;he strangely turned it around and said â€œI wonder if anyone from my past was like that and I didnâ€™t know about itâ€¦â€ Instead of listening to what I said, it was SCARY how heâ€™d brush it off and immediately put attention to his past.&quot;

My ex EUM was constantly comparing me favorably with his exes. Ex: &quot;She did _____ but you aren&#039;t like that. She did _____ that made me uncomfortable but you don&#039;t.&quot; yada yada yada I always thought it was very strange that he&#039;d verbalize his comparisons to me in this way. This guy thought out loud alot!! I don&#039;t think this constant comparison is normal. Looking back, I think what was going on in his mind was, &quot;you&#039;re better, you&#039;re better, you&#039;re better, you&#039;re better . . . BUT, you&#039;re not good enough.&quot; He had much earlier described himself as a perfectionist to me. Toward the end of the relationship he said, &quot;You&#039;re 75% of what I want and I don&#039;t know if I should settle.&quot; I did not respond kindly to that!! I think he is on a quest for the perfect woman which we all know doesn&#039;t exist except in fantasy. Someone said to me he&#039;s looking for a five star hotel when he&#039;s only a two star.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@SomethingSomethingDarkSide &#8212; You said, &#8220;he strangely turned it around and said â€œI wonder if anyone from my past was like that and I didnâ€™t know about itâ€¦â€ Instead of listening to what I said, it was SCARY how heâ€™d brush it off and immediately put attention to his past.&#8221;</p>
<p>My ex EUM was constantly comparing me favorably with his exes. Ex: &#8220;She did _____ but you aren&#8217;t like that. She did _____ that made me uncomfortable but you don&#8217;t.&#8221; yada yada yada I always thought it was very strange that he&#8217;d verbalize his comparisons to me in this way. This guy thought out loud alot!! I don&#8217;t think this constant comparison is normal. Looking back, I think what was going on in his mind was, &#8220;you&#8217;re better, you&#8217;re better, you&#8217;re better, you&#8217;re better . . . BUT, you&#8217;re not good enough.&#8221; He had much earlier described himself as a perfectionist to me. Toward the end of the relationship he said, &#8220;You&#8217;re 75% of what I want and I don&#8217;t know if I should settle.&#8221; I did not respond kindly to that!! I think he is on a quest for the perfect woman which we all know doesn&#8217;t exist except in fantasy. Someone said to me he&#8217;s looking for a five star hotel when he&#8217;s only a two star.</p>
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		<title>By: Serena</title>
		<link>http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/are-we-giving-up-on-love/comment-page-2/#comment-236579</link>
		<dc:creator>Serena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BradK -- You said: &quot;The danger I see in keeping contact with exes, with flirting, and with paying attention to possible new bed mates - is that they arenâ€™t *there* in the relationship. When you spend attention on others, you neglect your partner and yourself. It may be fun, like a trip to Six Flags. But Six Flags closes each day. They sweep up the debris, they empty the trash. But a toddler doesnâ€™t want the day to end, to leave behind the fantasy and the memories. Parents learn (or should!) that vacations, special events, celebrations, indulgences - end. That we give ourselves to the experience, and if it ends, carry away the best parts (or the horror stories, or NML would be quietly writing her way to health with no company at all!).&quot;

I understand &quot;not wanting the day to end&quot; as it pertains to those of us hanging onto the fantasy of a healthy relationship with an EUM that in the beginning seemed like a day at Six Flags. What I don&#039;t understand is why the EUM wants to hang on and keeps coming back to preserve a relationship the he&#039;s &quot;managed down&quot; from a day at Six Flags to a swim in a murky pond. Why doesn&#039;t he leave the &quot;pond water&quot; relationship behind as he moves on to other &quot;Six Flags&quot; relationships. If he&#039;s managed the relationship down to &quot;pond water,&quot; what&#039;s he getting out of continuing to swim in the murky pond? I would think Six Flags would be enough to hold all his attention and the pond water would be little more than a distraction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BradK &#8212; You said: &#8220;The danger I see in keeping contact with exes, with flirting, and with paying attention to possible new bed mates &#8211; is that they arenâ€™t *there* in the relationship. When you spend attention on others, you neglect your partner and yourself. It may be fun, like a trip to Six Flags. But Six Flags closes each day. They sweep up the debris, they empty the trash. But a toddler doesnâ€™t want the day to end, to leave behind the fantasy and the memories. Parents learn (or should!) that vacations, special events, celebrations, indulgences &#8211; end. That we give ourselves to the experience, and if it ends, carry away the best parts (or the horror stories, or NML would be quietly writing her way to health with no company at all!).&#8221;</p>
<p>I understand &#8220;not wanting the day to end&#8221; as it pertains to those of us hanging onto the fantasy of a healthy relationship with an EUM that in the beginning seemed like a day at Six Flags. What I don&#8217;t understand is why the EUM wants to hang on and keeps coming back to preserve a relationship the he&#8217;s &#8220;managed down&#8221; from a day at Six Flags to a swim in a murky pond. Why doesn&#8217;t he leave the &#8220;pond water&#8221; relationship behind as he moves on to other &#8220;Six Flags&#8221; relationships. If he&#8217;s managed the relationship down to &#8220;pond water,&#8221; what&#8217;s he getting out of continuing to swim in the murky pond? I would think Six Flags would be enough to hold all his attention and the pond water would be little more than a distraction.</p>
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		<title>By: SomethingSomethingDarkSide</title>
		<link>http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/are-we-giving-up-on-love/comment-page-2/#comment-236567</link>
		<dc:creator>SomethingSomethingDarkSide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brad K.,  does myspace register as a &quot;dating site&quot;?  And it&#039;s funny that so many of these unavailable assclowns have hundreds of friends on their space.  They&#039;ll post very vague, ambiguous statements on random pages.  One moment they&#039;re commenting on one girl&#039;s profile with something that can be interpreted 10000 ways, and the next moment they comment to someone else. As far as not being able to cut apron strings, my ex lived with his mother and the rest of the family.  When discussing his exes, he said our relationship was the rockiest.  According to him, it&#039;s not that i&#039;m beautiful or they he loves me, it&#039;s that they were all beautiful and he&#039;ll always love them TOO (his words).  Even when it came to sex, what was important to me (my values, virginity, monogamy), he strangely turned it around and said &quot;I wonder if anyone from my past was like that and I didn&#039;t know about it...&quot; Instead of listening to what I said, it was SCARY how he&#039;d brush it off and immediately put attention to his past.  And then he wondered why I had a complex about his exes!  Because we were many states apart, my ex EUM once asked me what my problem was with him observing other women. (Because distance was his rationalization).  In fact, he questioned why I had a problem with him hanging out at DJing events with his friends (both single and attached), and no, because I was in another state--I never went.  We&#039;d have fights (which wouldn&#039;t start off that way, but escalate) and then mid-conversation after very little of his input, he&#039;d declare he&#039;s going to see his friends and of COURSE his friends brought THEIR friends and it was officially mingle time at the turntables.  By the time I called him, he was over there and I was humiliate, dubbed the crazy clingy girlfriend that can&#039;t let go. 


Have you girls ever been in the same situation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brad K.,  does myspace register as a &#8220;dating site&#8221;?  And it&#8217;s funny that so many of these unavailable assclowns have hundreds of friends on their space.  They&#8217;ll post very vague, ambiguous statements on random pages.  One moment they&#8217;re commenting on one girl&#8217;s profile with something that can be interpreted 10000 ways, and the next moment they comment to someone else. As far as not being able to cut apron strings, my ex lived with his mother and the rest of the family.  When discussing his exes, he said our relationship was the rockiest.  According to him, it&#8217;s not that i&#8217;m beautiful or they he loves me, it&#8217;s that they were all beautiful and he&#8217;ll always love them TOO (his words).  Even when it came to sex, what was important to me (my values, virginity, monogamy), he strangely turned it around and said &#8220;I wonder if anyone from my past was like that and I didn&#8217;t know about it&#8230;&#8221; Instead of listening to what I said, it was SCARY how he&#8217;d brush it off and immediately put attention to his past.  And then he wondered why I had a complex about his exes!  Because we were many states apart, my ex EUM once asked me what my problem was with him observing other women. (Because distance was his rationalization).  In fact, he questioned why I had a problem with him hanging out at DJing events with his friends (both single and attached), and no, because I was in another state&#8211;I never went.  We&#8217;d have fights (which wouldn&#8217;t start off that way, but escalate) and then mid-conversation after very little of his input, he&#8217;d declare he&#8217;s going to see his friends and of COURSE his friends brought THEIR friends and it was officially mingle time at the turntables.  By the time I called him, he was over there and I was humiliate, dubbed the crazy clingy girlfriend that can&#8217;t let go. </p>
<p>Have you girls ever been in the same situation?</p>
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		<title>By: Anusha</title>
		<link>http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/are-we-giving-up-on-love/comment-page-2/#comment-236566</link>
		<dc:creator>Anusha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Meant to be Happy-OMG my ex was exactaly like yours!!!!!! Even the coment about Im fine with a chatt per week and a few emails he would do too.I know that guys dont like phones and chatts like we women do but I know a lot of people that have a LDR(mine was like that too) that call and chatt everyday.Most of them,the bfs calls everyday and more than once a day even.My ex would almost never call and he was happy with chatting once a week or less even. 

Yes he wasnt treating me well since the begining.He admited that he would take out on me his anger from other problems that had nothing to do with me.And he would set up chatts and dont show up(and didnt let me know he couldnt make it too),ignore me when he was mad and so on.It went like that for the first 3 years we were together.What you said made me think.Yes he was &quot;super hot&quot; in the begining,I mean he said he was falling for me and wanted to come over on his holidays to meet me just after 3 days that we been chatting.We were just chatting by then,he had never seen me in real life yet.We would talk a lot about sex too,I remember that on the first day we started chatting we talked about it already (so I think that can go under just can express fellings phisicaly).I think maybe I was so anxious to find a bf that I just jump in too fast without giving it time to know him more.I took what I saw from him on the begining and thought that was how he was.Thank you for your answer and yes Im on one of my good days today :) Hugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Meant to be Happy-OMG my ex was exactaly like yours!!!!!! Even the coment about Im fine with a chatt per week and a few emails he would do too.I know that guys dont like phones and chatts like we women do but I know a lot of people that have a LDR(mine was like that too) that call and chatt everyday.Most of them,the bfs calls everyday and more than once a day even.My ex would almost never call and he was happy with chatting once a week or less even. </p>
<p>Yes he wasnt treating me well since the begining.He admited that he would take out on me his anger from other problems that had nothing to do with me.And he would set up chatts and dont show up(and didnt let me know he couldnt make it too),ignore me when he was mad and so on.It went like that for the first 3 years we were together.What you said made me think.Yes he was &#8220;super hot&#8221; in the begining,I mean he said he was falling for me and wanted to come over on his holidays to meet me just after 3 days that we been chatting.We were just chatting by then,he had never seen me in real life yet.We would talk a lot about sex too,I remember that on the first day we started chatting we talked about it already (so I think that can go under just can express fellings phisicaly).I think maybe I was so anxious to find a bf that I just jump in too fast without giving it time to know him more.I took what I saw from him on the begining and thought that was how he was.Thank you for your answer and yes Im on one of my good days today <img src='http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Hugs.</p>
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