Comments on: Knowing If You Feel Good In New Relationships – Part One http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/ Self Esteem|Dating|Relationships|Emotional Unavailability|Commitment| Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:03:13 +0200 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: NML http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-252002 NML Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:48:51 +0000 http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/#comment-252002 I have no idea where that came from but I have fixed it now! Thanks for the heads up Blaisex I have no idea where that came from but I have fixed it now! Thanks for the heads up Blaisex

]]> By: Alice http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-251989 Alice Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:37:25 +0000 http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/#comment-251989 Thank you very much NML for answering my request. I have also read your roughguide for a good relationship, which I haven't seen yet. I am now 2 1/2 months into my new relationship and pretty optimistic !! Only sometimes my own issues might try to have a voice again, but usually I am successfully carry on going my new route. Sometimes the old insecurities are trying to resurface, but I have made myself a list of things of what not to think. I was horrified in the beginning of this relationship, but my fears have greatly calmed down. So fingers crossed !!! Carry on with this wonderful site, lots of love and thank you so much XXXX Thank you very much NML for answering my request. I have also read your roughguide for a good relationship, which I haven’t seen yet.

I am now 2 1/2 months into my new relationship and pretty optimistic !! Only sometimes my own issues might try to have a voice again, but usually I am successfully carry on going my new route. Sometimes the old insecurities are trying to resurface, but I have made myself a list of things of what not to think. I was horrified in the beginning of this relationship, but my fears have greatly calmed down. So fingers crossed !!!

Carry on with this wonderful site, lots of love and thank you so much XXXX

]]> By: Blaise Parker http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-251977 Blaise Parker Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:49:37 +0000 http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/#comment-251977 NML: Why does it say "Show me an Example" at the top left corner of the screen? NML:

Why does it say “Show me an Example” at the top left corner of the screen?

]]> By: Sophia http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-251976 Sophia Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:12:23 +0000 http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/#comment-251976 Got my answer to my previously posted question last night. ..."How soon do you start dating after an assclown? Went out with good friends last night, 2 couples and me....never feel awkward with couples at all. Went to a bar and listened to some music and had a few drinks and danced. Well, the singer and I went out on one date 15 years ago and he asked my friend if I was single. She said yes, but she is not ready to date. Which I'm so grateful she said. He asked me to dance. We slowed dance twice and it felt so good to be in a man's arms and dance. I love to dance and only danced twice with ex EUM in 4 year relationship...even though he said he loved to dance when we first met...one of the many lies to come. Today, I am so emotional, crying and thinking about all the time I wasted on the ex when I could've been dancing., I'm good now, melancholy, but good. I am so NOT READY to date or even hang out with a man at this time. I need to heal more and get assclown out of my system once and for all. Not at the carry on luggage phase yet. Still have large baggage...at least it's all contained in one bag....LOL!! Got my answer to my previously posted question last night. …”How soon do you start dating after an assclown?
Went out with good friends last night, 2 couples and me….never feel awkward with couples at all. Went to a bar and listened to some music and had a few drinks and danced. Well, the singer and I went out on one date 15 years ago and he asked my friend if I was single. She said yes, but she is not ready to date. Which I’m so grateful she said.
He asked me to dance. We slowed dance twice and it felt so good to be in a man’s arms and dance. I love to dance and only danced twice with ex EUM in 4 year relationship…even though he said he loved to dance when we first met…one of the many lies to come.
Today, I am so emotional, crying and thinking about all the time I wasted on the ex when I could’ve been dancing.,
I’m good now, melancholy, but good. I am so NOT READY to date or even hang out with a man at this time. I need to heal more and get assclown out of my system once and for all. Not at the carry on luggage phase yet. Still have large baggage…at least it’s all contained in one bag….LOL!!

]]> By: raven http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-251974 raven Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:33:27 +0000 http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/#comment-251974 Thanks for this NML. I have been getting to know a guy and so far so good until today. We had arranged to hang out together after work and halfway through the afternoon I discovered that he'd double booked, but worse, had clearly forgotten our arrangement and probably would have never even cancelled. He was pretty mortified when he realised, but if he'd been really keen, he'd have remembered. I saw the red flag and I acted on it. Told him I was disappointed in him. Although I felt a bit bad (it was a bit gutting to realise he'd obviously not been looking forward to the evening as I had) I decided to not let it get to me and got on and did things for myself and refused to get upset because (and I'm finally getting it) I hadn't developed illusory ideas about us and so could respond to reality, not a fantasy. I deserve better and if he can't see that or isn't in a place to provide it, I am not going to waste my precious time and headspace on him. Thanks for this NML. I have been getting to know a guy and so far so good until today. We had arranged to hang out together after work and halfway through the afternoon I discovered that he’d double booked, but worse, had clearly forgotten our arrangement and probably would have never even cancelled. He was pretty mortified when he realised, but if he’d been really keen, he’d have remembered. I saw the red flag and I acted on it. Told him I was disappointed in him. Although I felt a bit bad (it was a bit gutting to realise he’d obviously not been looking forward to the evening as I had) I decided to not let it get to me and got on and did things for myself and refused to get upset because (and I’m finally getting it) I hadn’t developed illusory ideas about us and so could respond to reality, not a fantasy. I deserve better and if he can’t see that or isn’t in a place to provide it, I am not going to waste my precious time and headspace on him.

]]> By: Terry http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-251971 Terry Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:27:00 +0000 http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/#comment-251971 This is so timely for me. I've been asking about trusting again after being jacked around. For me it's complicated because it's the same man. I was never sure if he was an EUM, a commitment-phobe or just a jackass. I sent him away 3 times previously. We had a lovely relationship, but then he'd do the poof, or not calling when he said, or not showing up. It seemed like the more he liked me, the more he would screw up and I knew that was a game I could not win. Finally, he came back and so far, he's a changed man. He made other changes in his life in the time we were't seeing each other. The longer we go on and it's lovely, the less I think about "before." I don't think you ever get over having the initial emotional reaction and anxiety, but you can learn to not give into it. I think it's a function of time healing. This is so timely for me. I’ve been asking about trusting again after being jacked around. For me it’s complicated because it’s the same man. I was never sure if he was an EUM, a commitment-phobe or just a jackass. I sent him away 3 times previously. We had a lovely relationship, but then he’d do the poof, or not calling when he said, or not showing up. It seemed like the more he liked me, the more he would screw up and I knew that was a game I could not win. Finally, he came back and so far, he’s a changed man. He made other changes in his life in the time we were’t seeing each other. The longer we go on and it’s lovely, the less I think about “before.” I don’t think you ever get over having the initial emotional reaction and anxiety, but you can learn to not give into it. I think it’s a function of time healing.

]]> By: Sophia http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-251970 Sophia Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:59:00 +0000 http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/#comment-251970 Need your opionions ladies. My question is, "How soon is too soon to start dating? First a little background. My EUM called his ex-girlfriend in Dec./08 while we were on vacation. Devasted me, but we stayed together, as he promised to let me know if there was any form of contact between them. I have no problem with men having contact with ex's as long as I know.Of course, he lied and there was contact in March/09. I kicked him out at that point. We were apart for 4 months, still in contact with each other thru phone and email, but I was doing awesome without him in my life. After 4 months, dated an old boyfriend from 25 years ago. Strictly dating, no intimacy, just going out for dinner. I was not ready for relationship at all at that time. I tell assclown that I'm seeing someone, but not seriously,and he reacts quite desperately, saying he'c coming over with his cheque book and we're going to buy an engagement ring. Second time he's done this in our 4 year relationship. I don't want a ring, but his persistance paid off and we got back together, but no ring. Our reunion only lasted 3 months. The hot and cold winds were blowing. We broke up and of course the games were on again. He was pursuing me but at the same time had joined an internet dating site . I found out by checking his phone....my gut feeling was right again. I went over because his stepmother died and we were going to go together to spend three or four days with his family. I thought this was a sign from God for us to get back together. Crazy me!!This was in Dec./09 and I have been no contact since Dec. 29/09. Have been doing great....keeping busy with friends and family and school work. I lost my job and an now studying to be a nutritionsist,. I am 52 by the way.Very happy about my new adventure. I have just been checking out a dating website and some men have sparked my interest. JUST LOOKING, my profile is not up, but I am interested.. I read what Natalie wrote here, but just wondering thru your personal experiences, when did you start dating again? Thank you Natalie and all you wonderful women for helping me on my journey to my new amazing life, with or without a man. Much love! Need your opionions ladies. My question is, “How soon is too soon to start dating? First a little background.
My EUM called his ex-girlfriend in Dec./08 while we were on vacation. Devasted me, but we stayed together, as he promised to let me know if there was any form of contact between them. I have no problem with men having contact with ex’s as long as I know.Of course, he lied and there was contact in March/09. I kicked him out at that point. We were apart for 4 months, still in contact with each other thru phone and email, but I was doing awesome without him in my life. After 4 months, dated an old boyfriend from 25 years ago. Strictly dating, no intimacy, just going out for dinner. I was not ready for relationship at all at that time. I tell assclown that I’m seeing someone, but not seriously,and he reacts quite desperately, saying he’c coming over with his cheque book and we’re going to buy an engagement ring. Second time he’s done this in our 4 year relationship. I don’t want a ring, but his persistance paid off and we got back together, but no ring.
Our reunion only lasted 3 months. The hot and cold winds were blowing. We broke up and of course the games were on again. He was pursuing me but at the same time had joined an internet dating site . I found out by checking his phone….my gut feeling was right again. I went over because his stepmother died and we were going to go together to spend three or four days with his family. I thought this was a sign from God for us to get back together. Crazy me!!This was in Dec./09 and I have been no contact since Dec. 29/09.
Have been doing great….keeping busy with friends and family and school work. I lost my job and an now studying to be a nutritionsist,. I am 52 by the way.Very happy about my new adventure. I have just been checking out a dating website and some men have sparked my interest. JUST LOOKING, my profile is not up, but I am interested..
I read what Natalie wrote here, but just wondering thru your personal experiences, when did you start dating again?
Thank you Natalie and all you wonderful women for helping me on my journey to my new amazing life, with or without a man.
Much love!

]]> By: bebe http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-251967 bebe Fri, 15 Jan 2010 02:19:58 +0000 http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/#comment-251967 "Be calm and enjoy the inner calm." - this is what I struggle with every day!! Unconsciously, and ever so slowly, these feelings of doubt and uncertainty begin to creep into my mind. It seems anything can set it off. Suddenly, I'm seeking some sort of validation from him to make myself feel better. And if he doesn't respond the way i think he should, or if he doesn't respond at all, I freak! I will assume he doesn't love me, rant and rave about it because I KNOW he does, and yet I still need him to say it or prove it to me in some profound way. THIS IS NOT NORMAL, NOR IS IT HEALTHY. Fortunately for me, he figured all this out before i did...and he's still around. I hope he sticks around long enough for this brat to grow up. I guess what all this stems from is low self-esteem. But instead of treating the illness, we find ourselves constantly going for the quick fix solution and treating the symptoms. I think it's also important to remember that EVERYONE has issues...and that we need to focus and fix the ones that we can, and those are our own. Everything else will just fall into place. - Still learning - “Be calm and enjoy the inner calm.” – this is what I struggle with every day!!

Unconsciously, and ever so slowly, these feelings of doubt and uncertainty begin to creep into my mind. It seems anything can set it off. Suddenly, I’m seeking some sort of validation from him to make myself feel better. And if he doesn’t respond the way i think he should, or if he doesn’t respond at all, I freak! I will assume he doesn’t love me, rant and rave about it because I KNOW he does, and yet I still need him to say it or prove it to me in some profound way. THIS IS NOT NORMAL, NOR IS IT HEALTHY. Fortunately for me, he figured all this out before i did…and he’s still around. I hope he sticks around long enough for this brat to grow up.

I guess what all this stems from is low self-esteem. But instead of treating the illness, we find ourselves constantly going for the quick fix solution and treating the symptoms. I think it’s also important to remember that EVERYONE has issues…and that we need to focus and fix the ones that we can, and those are our own. Everything else will just fall into place.

- Still learning -

]]> By: aphrogirl http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-251966 aphrogirl Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:37:00 +0000 http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/#comment-251966 Ahh, thank you for these kind words. I realize I have forgotten all about the many real and positive relationships I have enjoyed with good men ...and I am pretty certain I will enjoy a good relationship or two again. It's so nice to read this and be reminded of what positive relationships feel like. Ahh, thank you for these kind words.

I realize I have forgotten all about the many real and positive relationships I have enjoyed with good men …and I am pretty certain I will enjoy a good relationship or two again.

It’s so nice to read this and be reminded of what positive relationships feel like.

]]> By: RES http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-251963 RES Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:27:07 +0000 http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/#comment-251963 Again, another incredible post Natalie. When I first met my fiancee all of my friends were so excited for me. But for the longest time, I kept saying "I'm not sure how I'm supposed to feel." I had no basis of experience for what a healthy relationship felt like. Was I supposed to be breathless in love? That's not love, that's chemistry (I'm much smarter now :-)). What was I supposed to feel? As time passed, I started noticing things like: 1) I didn't seem to cry at all! 2) It was nice having someone that I didn't have to convince to be with me! He had (and still has) two feet in the relationship! 3) I was (and still am) ME! No morphing, no convincing myself that I wanted things that I really didn't or that I was someone that I wasn't. I am true to myself. Complete authenticity. 4)I knew that I could survive without him. It might sound strange, but I was confident that if this didn't work out, it wouldn't be the end of the world for me. 5) Deposit vs. withdrawal! My realization that my fiancee contributes to my overall happiness. A simple calculation, really. If someone is contributing to my happiness, then of course I want them in my life. My life is richer because he is in it. However, his presence CONTRIBUTES to my happiness; he doesn't DEFINE it. 6) Complete ABSENCE OF DRAMA! My word....how wonderful it is to just enjoy being in a great relationship without having to worry, stress, and second guess myself. Again, right on Natalie! Again, another incredible post Natalie. When I first met my fiancee all of my friends were so excited for me. But for the longest time, I kept saying “I’m not sure how I’m supposed to feel.” I had no basis of experience for what a healthy relationship felt like. Was I supposed to be breathless in love? That’s not love, that’s chemistry (I’m much smarter now :-) ). What was I supposed to feel? As time passed, I started noticing things like:
1) I didn’t seem to cry at all!
2) It was nice having someone that I didn’t have to convince to be with me! He had (and still has) two feet in the relationship!
3) I was (and still am) ME! No morphing, no convincing myself that I wanted things that I really didn’t or that I was someone that I wasn’t. I am true to myself. Complete authenticity.
4)I knew that I could survive without him. It might sound strange, but I was confident that if this didn’t work out, it wouldn’t be the end of the world for me.
5) Deposit vs. withdrawal! My realization that my fiancee contributes to my overall happiness. A simple calculation, really. If someone is contributing to my happiness, then of course I want them in my life. My life is richer because he is in it. However, his presence CONTRIBUTES to my happiness; he doesn’t DEFINE it.
6) Complete ABSENCE OF DRAMA! My word….how wonderful it is to just enjoy being in a great relationship without having to worry, stress, and second guess myself.

Again, right on Natalie!

]]> By: Happy Soul http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-251961 Happy Soul Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:06:12 +0000 http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/#comment-251961 Thank you Natalie, that what I needed before my first date with a new guy after "separation" with AC...I loved it - "Embrace the possibility of a new relationship, enjoy it, and put both of your feet in", yes, thats what I am going to do, I am not going to allow my AC to destroy something new and exciting:-) which is coming my way! Thank you Natalie, that what I needed before my first date with a new guy after “separation” with AC…I loved it – “Embrace the possibility of a new relationship, enjoy it, and put both of your feet in”, yes, thats what I am going to do, I am not going to allow my AC to destroy something new and exciting:-) which is coming my way!

]]> By: Pushing.Thru http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-251960 Pushing.Thru Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:46:40 +0000 http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/#comment-251960 I needed this... thank you. I needed this… thank you.

]]> By: Kim http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-251959 Kim Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:28:16 +0000 http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/#comment-251959 Great post. I just recently ended an 8 month relationship with a man that for the last 5 months of the relationship had managed to lie about not only his mother but also stepfather having died (one in August the other in October). However, i found out they are BOTH still alive and well. Even though I try not to, I can't help but wonder what was the truth and what was a lie. I don't want to analyze the past 8 months but I admit I will be very cautious in the future. Quite sad. Great post. I just recently ended an 8 month relationship with a man that for the last 5 months of the relationship had managed to lie about not only his mother but also stepfather having died (one in August the other in October). However, i found out they are BOTH still alive and well. Even though I try not to, I can’t help but wonder what was the truth and what was a lie. I don’t want to analyze the past 8 months but I admit I will be very cautious in the future. Quite sad.

]]> By: Spiffy http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-251957 Spiffy Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:08:21 +0000 http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/#comment-251957 This was a great read! I frequent your site pretty often and I have to say reading your posts has helped me face a lot of my issues. I am not out of the thick of things just yet, but I am determined to get there. I have to share this story which is not directly related, but made me realize something. There is this job I agreed to do for someone, but when I saw the pay rate, I noticed it was half of what I am normally paid, or so I thought. I began to feel really upset, thinking, this person is trying to take advantage of me, who do they think I am? I do good work, can they not see that? I asked why was I being paid for half of my work and lo and behold I was looking at the wrong pay rate. This made me realize how easily I can sometimes blow things out of proportion and in relation to EUMs, how I could have projected a lot more on to him, bet on his his potential, thus creating an illusion. This minor unconnected occurrence made it all click for me. I was the one who looked at the wrong pay rate and drew the wrong conclusion. I also was the one who created an illusion about a man who was so far from what I wanted him to be. This was a great read! I frequent your site pretty often and I have to say reading your posts has helped me face a lot of my issues. I am not out of the thick of things just yet, but I am determined to get there.

I have to share this story which is not directly related, but made me realize something. There is this job I agreed to do for someone, but when I saw the pay rate, I noticed it was half of what I am normally paid, or so I thought. I began to feel really upset, thinking, this person is trying to take advantage of me, who do they think I am? I do good work, can they not see that?

I asked why was I being paid for half of my work and lo and behold I was looking at the wrong pay rate. This made me realize how easily I can sometimes blow things out of proportion and in relation to EUMs, how I could have projected a lot more on to him, bet on his his potential, thus creating an illusion.

This minor unconnected occurrence made it all click for me. I was the one who looked at the wrong pay rate and drew the wrong conclusion. I also was the one who created an illusion about a man who was so far from what I wanted him to be.

]]> By: Kay http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-251956 Kay Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:03:16 +0000 http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/knowing-if-you-feel-good-in-new-relationships-part-one/#comment-251956 Some sound, practical advice there Natalie,huge thanks for that. I can't comment anymore really as I've never known or seen a good relationship in my close family circle but I really hope some day to experience it. What would we do without you and all your help and guidance! Thanks again.xx Some sound, practical advice there Natalie,huge thanks for that. I can’t comment anymore really as I’ve never known or seen a good relationship in my close family circle but I really hope some day to experience it. What would we do without you and all your help and guidance! Thanks again.xx

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