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		<title>By: NML</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mercury, please visit &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baggagereclaim.ning.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the forum&lt;/a&gt; to get some personal advice as this comment thread will be closed and thanks for sharing.</description>
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		<title>By: Mercury</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mercury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello everyone. This is my first post. I&#039;m quite afraid I&#039;m in an unhealthy relationship with a man. We met through a mutual friend about two months ago. We started off emailing and texting. A lot. 20-30 a day, in the beginning. And although I&#039;ve been &quot;warned&quot; by several girls (a few of his exes, too) that he&#039;s got a lot of &quot;issues&quot; (depression &amp; financial problems), and to &quot;just be careful with him,&quot; I find him extremely witty, smart, and interesting. While the emailing and texting has declined from 30 a day to maybe once a day or even skipping a day, our intimate relationship has gotten stronger. He&#039;s very honest with me about his depression and his issues with his mother, etc... and I feel like we&#039;ve established somewhat of a secure connection. In the beginning, he told me I should concentrate on this other guy I was dating instead of him because he didn&#039;t think he was in a position to have a girlfriend and that he didn&#039;t deserve me. He said he needs to get control of his depression, his finances, his health, and his career before he feels he can be of any worth to me. At that point, we were only seeing each other *maybe* once a week, but emailing/texting every day. I was really sad to hear that he didn&#039;t think he could be in a relationship, and that if we were to have one, I would just end up hating him. So I continued to see him here and there, keeping my options open with other guys (and letting him know). Then he started making small gestures that indicated that he was still interested: calling (and making plans!) with me to go out, really cleaning up his apartment, noticing what I liked to eat and drink and having them at his place when I arrived, calling me to see how my day was, wanting me to spend the night, but with no sex, then waking up for work and kissing me on the forehead and telling me to go back to sleep, to stay at his place as long as I wanted, to make myself at home, then leaving, only to come back in 30 seconds to kiss me again before he left..... I could go on and on. We have plans to go to several concerts in the future, which to me sounds like he wants *some* kind of future with me. I&#039;ve also gotten mad at him a few times for not replying to an email or something in a timely manner (regarding plans) and he is very conscious of staying on top of things now. As far as who initiates emails, texts, plans, etc... I would have to say that it was 70% me in the beginning, but now it&#039;s at about 50/50. I wouldn&#039;t say that I&#039;m needy or pushy, I&#039;m just a honest and don&#039;t mind telling him what&#039;s on my mind: so I&#039;ll email, or suggest we go out, or just hang out at his place and watch movies (he rarely says no), or ask him what he&#039;s up to that night or the next or if he feels like going to the dog park.... Sometimes I feel like I&#039;m acting too needy, or that I&#039;m forcing things to happen, but I just really, really love spending time with him (and I know my self-esteem is a little low, and I might be a little clingy -- divorced an emotionally abusive man 10 months ago). We have slept together many times, and a few of the times he wasn&#039;t able to &quot;perform&quot;. He gets really down on himself for this, but I just reassure him that I really don&#039;t mind -- that I just like being with him. Over this past weekend, he spent the night and was unable to perform again (a little too much to drink on both our parts) and took it hard. This week has been a little confusing and painful because he hasn&#039;t contacted me nearly as much. I feel like he&#039;s shutting me out of his life a little, pushing me away. But we have a concert to go to tomorrow night, and he&#039;s emailed to make sure we&#039;re still on. And I emailed him yesterday and we talked on the phone because we had a little issue with a condom over the weekend and I emailed to tell him and he called right away. I told him I was just a little worried about STD&#039;s, since we hadn&#039;t really discussed this topic yet, and he told me not to worry, last time he was checked, he was clean, but then volunteered to get tested again by tomorrow to ease my mind. Other than that, he&#039;s emailed to say he was going to be really busy at work that day, but he just wanted to let me know, so I don&#039;t wonder why he&#039;s not emailing as much. But he&#039;s been *really* busy at work and found time to email many times before, so I don&#039;t know if this is a blow-off or not. I also invited him out for a drink to thank him about being so cool about the std thing, and he said he&#039;s really couldn&#039;t because he was too tired (which hasn&#039;t really stopped him before). And I haven&#039;t seen him since the weekend, which makes me sad, actually.
So, I don&#039;t know if I&#039;m just being obsessive and hyper-emotional, or if he&#039;s trying to tell me to back off or what, but we&#039;re going out tomorrow night and I don&#039;t want him to see me upset just because we didn&#039;t hang out or talk nearly as much as we did last week or the week before. I don&#039;t want to come across as neurotic and clingy. But the fact is, I seriously like him (as do a lot of his ex&#039;s -- who have also said they&#039;ve never seen him act so involved and interested and sincere as he has with me, that he seems to be &quot;stepping up to the plate&quot;), but I&#039;m scared of scaring him off. I&#039;m also scared that I might be misjudging the whole things, ignoring warning flags, and obsessing (which I am this week). I don&#039;t know how to act or what to say, if anything, about how I feel when I see him tomorrow night. I&#039;m just really confused and afraid that I might be falling in love with someone who is going to devastate me. Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time, everyone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello everyone. This is my first post. I&#8217;m quite afraid I&#8217;m in an unhealthy relationship with a man. We met through a mutual friend about two months ago. We started off emailing and texting. A lot. 20-30 a day, in the beginning. And although I&#8217;ve been &#8220;warned&#8221; by several girls (a few of his exes, too) that he&#8217;s got a lot of &#8220;issues&#8221; (depression &amp; financial problems), and to &#8220;just be careful with him,&#8221; I find him extremely witty, smart, and interesting. While the emailing and texting has declined from 30 a day to maybe once a day or even skipping a day, our intimate relationship has gotten stronger. He&#8217;s very honest with me about his depression and his issues with his mother, etc&#8230; and I feel like we&#8217;ve established somewhat of a secure connection. In the beginning, he told me I should concentrate on this other guy I was dating instead of him because he didn&#8217;t think he was in a position to have a girlfriend and that he didn&#8217;t deserve me. He said he needs to get control of his depression, his finances, his health, and his career before he feels he can be of any worth to me. At that point, we were only seeing each other *maybe* once a week, but emailing/texting every day. I was really sad to hear that he didn&#8217;t think he could be in a relationship, and that if we were to have one, I would just end up hating him. So I continued to see him here and there, keeping my options open with other guys (and letting him know). Then he started making small gestures that indicated that he was still interested: calling (and making plans!) with me to go out, really cleaning up his apartment, noticing what I liked to eat and drink and having them at his place when I arrived, calling me to see how my day was, wanting me to spend the night, but with no sex, then waking up for work and kissing me on the forehead and telling me to go back to sleep, to stay at his place as long as I wanted, to make myself at home, then leaving, only to come back in 30 seconds to kiss me again before he left&#8230;.. I could go on and on. We have plans to go to several concerts in the future, which to me sounds like he wants *some* kind of future with me. I&#8217;ve also gotten mad at him a few times for not replying to an email or something in a timely manner (regarding plans) and he is very conscious of staying on top of things now. As far as who initiates emails, texts, plans, etc&#8230; I would have to say that it was 70% me in the beginning, but now it&#8217;s at about 50/50. I wouldn&#8217;t say that I&#8217;m needy or pushy, I&#8217;m just a honest and don&#8217;t mind telling him what&#8217;s on my mind: so I&#8217;ll email, or suggest we go out, or just hang out at his place and watch movies (he rarely says no), or ask him what he&#8217;s up to that night or the next or if he feels like going to the dog park&#8230;. Sometimes I feel like I&#8217;m acting too needy, or that I&#8217;m forcing things to happen, but I just really, really love spending time with him (and I know my self-esteem is a little low, and I might be a little clingy &#8212; divorced an emotionally abusive man 10 months ago). We have slept together many times, and a few of the times he wasn&#8217;t able to &#8220;perform&#8221;. He gets really down on himself for this, but I just reassure him that I really don&#8217;t mind &#8212; that I just like being with him. Over this past weekend, he spent the night and was unable to perform again (a little too much to drink on both our parts) and took it hard. This week has been a little confusing and painful because he hasn&#8217;t contacted me nearly as much. I feel like he&#8217;s shutting me out of his life a little, pushing me away. But we have a concert to go to tomorrow night, and he&#8217;s emailed to make sure we&#8217;re still on. And I emailed him yesterday and we talked on the phone because we had a little issue with a condom over the weekend and I emailed to tell him and he called right away. I told him I was just a little worried about STD&#8217;s, since we hadn&#8217;t really discussed this topic yet, and he told me not to worry, last time he was checked, he was clean, but then volunteered to get tested again by tomorrow to ease my mind. Other than that, he&#8217;s emailed to say he was going to be really busy at work that day, but he just wanted to let me know, so I don&#8217;t wonder why he&#8217;s not emailing as much. But he&#8217;s been *really* busy at work and found time to email many times before, so I don&#8217;t know if this is a blow-off or not. I also invited him out for a drink to thank him about being so cool about the std thing, and he said he&#8217;s really couldn&#8217;t because he was too tired (which hasn&#8217;t really stopped him before). And I haven&#8217;t seen him since the weekend, which makes me sad, actually.<br />
So, I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;m just being obsessive and hyper-emotional, or if he&#8217;s trying to tell me to back off or what, but we&#8217;re going out tomorrow night and I don&#8217;t want him to see me upset just because we didn&#8217;t hang out or talk nearly as much as we did last week or the week before. I don&#8217;t want to come across as neurotic and clingy. But the fact is, I seriously like him (as do a lot of his ex&#8217;s &#8212; who have also said they&#8217;ve never seen him act so involved and interested and sincere as he has with me, that he seems to be &#8220;stepping up to the plate&#8221;), but I&#8217;m scared of scaring him off. I&#8217;m also scared that I might be misjudging the whole things, ignoring warning flags, and obsessing (which I am this week). I don&#8217;t know how to act or what to say, if anything, about how I feel when I see him tomorrow night. I&#8217;m just really confused and afraid that I might be falling in love with someone who is going to devastate me. Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time, everyone!</p>
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		<title>By: SmarterNow</title>
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		<dc:creator>SmarterNow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, here is my hopeful two cents about getting over an EUM.  I recently visited with a good friend of mine from years ago... I had literally been OBSESSED with her brother for nearly a year of my life (when we were &quot;dating&quot;), and it took me at least a year to get over the havoc he wreaked on my sense of self. He was the classic kid from a screwed-up family whom I wanted to save... we were friends for 6 months and during that time he slowly sucked me into a &quot;relationship&quot; -- only to start the classic push-pull that I hear all of you ladies lamenting!  It is so true!!!  But I was so deeply in love by that point that nothing else mattered but the crumbs that he threw me.  After my friend&#039;s visit, I went back and re-read all of my journal entries about my time with him... and was shocked by how much he caused me to question myself, my worthiness, my choices in life, my everything.  And all the while I was seeing none of it and assuming (like we all do) that it was ME.  He really did a job on my self-esteem.  But being almost 7 years out of that period of my life... it is amazing to realize how little I think of him.  When at one point, he was the ONLY focus in my life.  It is sad to say that I recently got out of a &quot;relationship&quot; with yet another EUM... all along the way with the new guy, though, I could hear my gut screaming &quot;RED FLAG!&quot;  Honestly, I chose not to listen. He pushed my attraction buttons like few people have... and I just wanted that feeling again.  BUT during the whole thing, part of me was acting as a 3rd party observer and trying to see it for what it was, even though I was choosing (unwisely) to continue.  So in that respect, I feel that I have come a long way from the me who was so easily fooled before.  I guess what I&#039;m trying to say is just remember to enjoy the small victories along the way.  If you sense your EUM doing something that sets off warning bells, congratulate yourself for making a mental note of it.  Even if you aren&#039;t able to cut and run right away... awareness is SO crucial to the (sometimes long and agonizing) process of weaning yourself off of these destructive relationships.  I still to this day hope that my latest EUM miraculously changes and realizes what a great thing he had in me... and comes back with a ring in hand.  But I&#039;m not holding out for it anymore... which is a huge step forward.  For as heartbroken as I still am, I try to just go with it on the days that the nostalgia wells up, listen to all the songs that remind me of him, let myself dream and hurt and obsess... all while realizing that at least this time I can see him for what he is.  With the first guy years ago, I was CONVINCED that he was my soul-mate and that no one would ever understand me and be to me what he was.  It is actually kind of scary looking back.  But this time, I didn&#039;t let myself fall in love... my head played a part in things... and whether or not THAT is healthy (the self-censorship of my emotions!), I am at least able to walk away this time.  I don&#039;t know... I realize this is a lot of rambling, but I just needed to say to all of you -- if this is your first time with an EUM, I SO feel your pain.  It is one of the most confusing and painful and frustrating experiences that we can have.  Especially when, in most other areas of our lives, we are smart, capable, and generally confident women.  I loved what NML said in her book about our tendency to &quot;chase emotions&quot; and desire the men who make us &quot;feel&quot; something.  What the hell is up with that!  But yet it happens so often.  The ones who push our buttons are the only ones we want to pursue.  And I suppose the only way out is through... and realizing that we are not alone on the journey -- that many girls have traveled the same road, and that our situation is NOT unique.  Our EUM is not any different from the rest of the AC&#039;s out there who will never be capable of having a true relationship.  Just like my first EUM-ex... I can see now that his screwed-up childhood prevented him from EVER being able to feel the things I needed him to feel.  IT IS NOT OUR FAULT.  And that is the toughest thing to digest.  Maybe we just need to look in the mirror every day and repeat over and over again to ourselves &quot;It is not your fault!&quot;  Just like that movie Good Will Hunting haha!  Truly, though.  It IS possible to get over an EUM and learn something from the relationship.  Please just believe that.  It&#039;s almost impossible to trust this when you are in the middle of things... but truly NC is the greatest gift you can give yourself.  And then, once you have taken an emotional step outside... perhaps you can contact him again one day.  And be able to do so, knowing that he was a valuable lesson in your life, but that you are SO much better off now both because of him, and without him.  I hope I can take my own advice in the case of my latest ex.  But I am trying.  And I hope you girls will, too!  THERE IS HOPE!!!  Just trust yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, here is my hopeful two cents about getting over an EUM.  I recently visited with a good friend of mine from years ago&#8230; I had literally been OBSESSED with her brother for nearly a year of my life (when we were &#8220;dating&#8221;), and it took me at least a year to get over the havoc he wreaked on my sense of self. He was the classic kid from a screwed-up family whom I wanted to save&#8230; we were friends for 6 months and during that time he slowly sucked me into a &#8220;relationship&#8221; &#8212; only to start the classic push-pull that I hear all of you ladies lamenting!  It is so true!!!  But I was so deeply in love by that point that nothing else mattered but the crumbs that he threw me.  After my friend&#8217;s visit, I went back and re-read all of my journal entries about my time with him&#8230; and was shocked by how much he caused me to question myself, my worthiness, my choices in life, my everything.  And all the while I was seeing none of it and assuming (like we all do) that it was ME.  He really did a job on my self-esteem.  But being almost 7 years out of that period of my life&#8230; it is amazing to realize how little I think of him.  When at one point, he was the ONLY focus in my life.  It is sad to say that I recently got out of a &#8220;relationship&#8221; with yet another EUM&#8230; all along the way with the new guy, though, I could hear my gut screaming &#8220;RED FLAG!&#8221;  Honestly, I chose not to listen. He pushed my attraction buttons like few people have&#8230; and I just wanted that feeling again.  BUT during the whole thing, part of me was acting as a 3rd party observer and trying to see it for what it was, even though I was choosing (unwisely) to continue.  So in that respect, I feel that I have come a long way from the me who was so easily fooled before.  I guess what I&#8217;m trying to say is just remember to enjoy the small victories along the way.  If you sense your EUM doing something that sets off warning bells, congratulate yourself for making a mental note of it.  Even if you aren&#8217;t able to cut and run right away&#8230; awareness is SO crucial to the (sometimes long and agonizing) process of weaning yourself off of these destructive relationships.  I still to this day hope that my latest EUM miraculously changes and realizes what a great thing he had in me&#8230; and comes back with a ring in hand.  But I&#8217;m not holding out for it anymore&#8230; which is a huge step forward.  For as heartbroken as I still am, I try to just go with it on the days that the nostalgia wells up, listen to all the songs that remind me of him, let myself dream and hurt and obsess&#8230; all while realizing that at least this time I can see him for what he is.  With the first guy years ago, I was CONVINCED that he was my soul-mate and that no one would ever understand me and be to me what he was.  It is actually kind of scary looking back.  But this time, I didn&#8217;t let myself fall in love&#8230; my head played a part in things&#8230; and whether or not THAT is healthy (the self-censorship of my emotions!), I am at least able to walk away this time.  I don&#8217;t know&#8230; I realize this is a lot of rambling, but I just needed to say to all of you &#8212; if this is your first time with an EUM, I SO feel your pain.  It is one of the most confusing and painful and frustrating experiences that we can have.  Especially when, in most other areas of our lives, we are smart, capable, and generally confident women.  I loved what NML said in her book about our tendency to &#8220;chase emotions&#8221; and desire the men who make us &#8220;feel&#8221; something.  What the hell is up with that!  But yet it happens so often.  The ones who push our buttons are the only ones we want to pursue.  And I suppose the only way out is through&#8230; and realizing that we are not alone on the journey &#8212; that many girls have traveled the same road, and that our situation is NOT unique.  Our EUM is not any different from the rest of the AC&#8217;s out there who will never be capable of having a true relationship.  Just like my first EUM-ex&#8230; I can see now that his screwed-up childhood prevented him from EVER being able to feel the things I needed him to feel.  IT IS NOT OUR FAULT.  And that is the toughest thing to digest.  Maybe we just need to look in the mirror every day and repeat over and over again to ourselves &#8220;It is not your fault!&#8221;  Just like that movie Good Will Hunting haha!  Truly, though.  It IS possible to get over an EUM and learn something from the relationship.  Please just believe that.  It&#8217;s almost impossible to trust this when you are in the middle of things&#8230; but truly NC is the greatest gift you can give yourself.  And then, once you have taken an emotional step outside&#8230; perhaps you can contact him again one day.  And be able to do so, knowing that he was a valuable lesson in your life, but that you are SO much better off now both because of him, and without him.  I hope I can take my own advice in the case of my latest ex.  But I am trying.  And I hope you girls will, too!  THERE IS HOPE!!!  Just trust yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Makeitstop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Makeitstop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG! I found this site because my latest relationship has ended and I wanted to know more about what I did to contribute to it, and how to avoid those things in the future.  Instead I&#039;m seeing that over the years, for the most part, MR. UNAVAILABLE has always been my type, not just this time. It hurts so much to know that I have wasted so much time on the wrong guys!  I&#039;m in my late 30&#039;s now and I only wish I had figured it out sooner.  Today I can finally know and see what the problem is.  For that I am thankful.  Ladies please help me out.  How do you stop repeating the pattern?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG! I found this site because my latest relationship has ended and I wanted to know more about what I did to contribute to it, and how to avoid those things in the future.  Instead I&#8217;m seeing that over the years, for the most part, MR. UNAVAILABLE has always been my type, not just this time. It hurts so much to know that I have wasted so much time on the wrong guys!  I&#8217;m in my late 30&#8242;s now and I only wish I had figured it out sooner.  Today I can finally know and see what the problem is.  For that I am thankful.  Ladies please help me out.  How do you stop repeating the pattern?</p>
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		<title>By: Hot Alpha Female</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hot Alpha Female</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just having this discussion with one of my bestfriends who has just come out of a 4 year relationship.

In many of the previous relationship discussions that we had, she was talking about how much she missed her ex and that she would have totally taken him back.

Then last night we have this kind of breakthrough conversation, where we both realised that we had been spending too much focus on the past and not enough on the present.

How many times have we been in a relaitonship and thought, &quot;Man I miss being Single&quot; and how many times have we been single and thought &quot;Man I really want a great relaitonship&quot;.

The truth is ... that we are always looking for something that we dont have!

This causes pain on our behalf and then sense that somehow we are incomplete.

This is simply not true. And if we learnt to really embrace the current situation and learn as much as possible in whatever martial status you are operating at.

We would be so much more happier!!

Hot Alpha Female
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just having this discussion with one of my bestfriends who has just come out of a 4 year relationship.</p>
<p>In many of the previous relationship discussions that we had, she was talking about how much she missed her ex and that she would have totally taken him back.</p>
<p>Then last night we have this kind of breakthrough conversation, where we both realised that we had been spending too much focus on the past and not enough on the present.</p>
<p>How many times have we been in a relaitonship and thought, &#8220;Man I miss being Single&#8221; and how many times have we been single and thought &#8220;Man I really want a great relaitonship&#8221;.</p>
<p>The truth is &#8230; that we are always looking for something that we dont have!</p>
<p>This causes pain on our behalf and then sense that somehow we are incomplete.</p>
<p>This is simply not true. And if we learnt to really embrace the current situation and learn as much as possible in whatever martial status you are operating at.</p>
<p>We would be so much more happier!!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to respond to Miss Confused, I know she&#039;s probably not reading this anymore but I just wanted to say: you&#039;re not alone. I hope you&#039;ve moved on at least a little bit since getting that CRACKHEAD out of your life. His behavior reminds me of my ex. Especially the blaming, silent treatment and the funniest one: asking for money at the end of the relationship for all the money he as &#039;spent&#039; while being together with me. Rent? Gas Money? Come on. It&#039;s like asking money back for any gifts he ever bought you or if or when he took you to dinner. Completely innappropriate and it certainly doesn&#039;t make any sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to respond to Miss Confused, I know she&#8217;s probably not reading this anymore but I just wanted to say: you&#8217;re not alone. I hope you&#8217;ve moved on at least a little bit since getting that CRACKHEAD out of your life. His behavior reminds me of my ex. Especially the blaming, silent treatment and the funniest one: asking for money at the end of the relationship for all the money he as &#8216;spent&#8217; while being together with me. Rent? Gas Money? Come on. It&#8217;s like asking money back for any gifts he ever bought you or if or when he took you to dinner. Completely innappropriate and it certainly doesn&#8217;t make any sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lorraine,

The military is tough on relationships.  Seriously.  Some of the stereotypes about girls in every port, about focus on drinking and parties are true, and often cause their own self-fulfillment. The force of the chain of command, the existence in daily life of rigid adherence to plan, command, and procedure is quote foreign to the outsider.

Military people are given fewer clues than most about what is expected social behavior, and about what is appropriate outside of &quot;work.&quot;

I don&#039;t know his work environment, his branch of service, or skill code.  Is it likely he has periods when he won&#039;t be permitted to communicate? Absolutely.  One for-instance is moving a unit from here to there - sail a ship, launch a plane, march a squad - where just the notion that the unit is moving could enable enemies to plan an attack.  I had a World War II poster, &quot;Loose Lips Sink Ships&quot; about the Battle for the Atlantic (trying to get merchant and military ships from the US/Canada to Europe without being sunk by a patrolling German submarine).  That poster is still true today.

There are different emotional stresses in the military.  If his unit isn&#039;t assigned downtown San Diego, then he will be somewhat isolated part of much of the time.  Getting letters, emails, having enduring contacts - these become status without the group.  From one perspective, they give outside human contact and stability to the troop.  Supporting our troops, sending the cookies and comic books and plain letters and emails do an enormous amount of good to those that receive them, and for those around them.  Expressions of affection are often extremely precious.

What I am getting at, is your guy might be inept, rather than calculatedly manipulative.  He may be unfamiliar with managing his leaves - something he plans, not the family, one or two times a year and at *no other time.*  He may not have learned much about being a mate or dating since Junior High - some people feel a calling to the military, others struggle to fit in, and end up trying to &quot;solemnly swear to do my duty, to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.&quot;  For many younger people in the military, their ability to function as responsible and respecful people in an intimate relationship is strictly haphazard, depending on the skills of their initial assigned leaders and random circumstances.

Military pay has always been on the short side.  The pay scale seems to have been set by the impressed (drafted) British seaman - just enough pay between ports to get good and drunk when the ship pulls in.  Today&#039;s military may have trouble accumulating enough money to do much about leave, other than visit relatives, and not always the cost of transportation.

I see an opportunity for you, here, and a choice.  If you are looking for an intimate companion - long distance, military, and differing levels of social skill each pose enormous obstacles.  And he is texting too much - that is another red flag, that his emotional availability or stability might be questionable.

But he could likely use a friend, if you are interested.  And your nation will benefit from providing an ear, a penpal (even if you use real ink, paper, and stamps! - most especially - that can be shared with others and packed along when electronic security is in effect).  Anyone interested in supporting US troops can also contact the USO service organization.

About the leave. I expect he anticipates - and is worried that you haven&#039;t - being invited to stay at your home during his visit.  Such hospitality was more common during the Depression, and will likely get more common again if times get much tougher.  Don&#039;t think of his trip as &quot;leave, and he is flying&quot;, think of this as &quot;This is what his pay for the last 8 months is buying him.&quot;  And he might well be borrowing part of the money - he might not get to see his family every year, many don&#039;t.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Brad K.â€™s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/04/15/for-a-happy-marriage-look-for-the-smile/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;For a happy marriage - look for the smile.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lorraine,</p>
<p>The military is tough on relationships.  Seriously.  Some of the stereotypes about girls in every port, about focus on drinking and parties are true, and often cause their own self-fulfillment. The force of the chain of command, the existence in daily life of rigid adherence to plan, command, and procedure is quote foreign to the outsider.</p>
<p>Military people are given fewer clues than most about what is expected social behavior, and about what is appropriate outside of &#8220;work.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know his work environment, his branch of service, or skill code.  Is it likely he has periods when he won&#8217;t be permitted to communicate? Absolutely.  One for-instance is moving a unit from here to there &#8211; sail a ship, launch a plane, march a squad &#8211; where just the notion that the unit is moving could enable enemies to plan an attack.  I had a World War II poster, &#8220;Loose Lips Sink Ships&#8221; about the Battle for the Atlantic (trying to get merchant and military ships from the US/Canada to Europe without being sunk by a patrolling German submarine).  That poster is still true today.</p>
<p>There are different emotional stresses in the military.  If his unit isn&#8217;t assigned downtown San Diego, then he will be somewhat isolated part of much of the time.  Getting letters, emails, having enduring contacts &#8211; these become status without the group.  From one perspective, they give outside human contact and stability to the troop.  Supporting our troops, sending the cookies and comic books and plain letters and emails do an enormous amount of good to those that receive them, and for those around them.  Expressions of affection are often extremely precious.</p>
<p>What I am getting at, is your guy might be inept, rather than calculatedly manipulative.  He may be unfamiliar with managing his leaves &#8211; something he plans, not the family, one or two times a year and at *no other time.*  He may not have learned much about being a mate or dating since Junior High &#8211; some people feel a calling to the military, others struggle to fit in, and end up trying to &#8220;solemnly swear to do my duty, to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.&#8221;  For many younger people in the military, their ability to function as responsible and respecful people in an intimate relationship is strictly haphazard, depending on the skills of their initial assigned leaders and random circumstances.</p>
<p>Military pay has always been on the short side.  The pay scale seems to have been set by the impressed (drafted) British seaman &#8211; just enough pay between ports to get good and drunk when the ship pulls in.  Today&#8217;s military may have trouble accumulating enough money to do much about leave, other than visit relatives, and not always the cost of transportation.</p>
<p>I see an opportunity for you, here, and a choice.  If you are looking for an intimate companion &#8211; long distance, military, and differing levels of social skill each pose enormous obstacles.  And he is texting too much &#8211; that is another red flag, that his emotional availability or stability might be questionable.</p>
<p>But he could likely use a friend, if you are interested.  And your nation will benefit from providing an ear, a penpal (even if you use real ink, paper, and stamps! &#8211; most especially &#8211; that can be shared with others and packed along when electronic security is in effect).  Anyone interested in supporting US troops can also contact the USO service organization.</p>
<p>About the leave. I expect he anticipates &#8211; and is worried that you haven&#8217;t &#8211; being invited to stay at your home during his visit.  Such hospitality was more common during the Depression, and will likely get more common again if times get much tougher.  Don&#8217;t think of his trip as &#8220;leave, and he is flying&#8221;, think of this as &#8220;This is what his pay for the last 8 months is buying him.&#8221;  And he might well be borrowing part of the money &#8211; he might not get to see his family every year, many don&#8217;t.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Brad K.â€™s last blog post..<a href="http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/04/15/for-a-happy-marriage-look-for-the-smile/" rel="nofollow">For a happy marriage &#8211; look for the smile.</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lorraine:
hmmmm... re-read your post. I think you already have the answer to your question.  There is so much doubt in your post about this man...go with your gut feeling...you&#039;re feeling it for a reason and dont get blindsided by &quot;thinking&quot; that its you, or that you&#039;re paranoid or anything else.  You said: &quot;How can i stop doubting and enjoy the week we&#039;re gonna spend together&quot;? I think the question should be: Why do you want to spend a week with someone who makes you feel this doubtful when he is away? Its when he is away that would count most to reassure you that things are ok..or to atleast be consistent not for the one week out of many that he gets to play &quot;fun&quot; and be on his &quot;best behaviour&quot; with you until he goes back and then what? 
I would not grant him &quot;being his girlfriend&quot; until he has proven to you that he deserves to have you as his girlfriend....place value on yourself and let him know that its not just a &quot;title&quot; for you... that it actually means he needs to back that up with being present in the relationship. At the very least, the week that he is here you should be having a detailed conversation of what your expectations are if he really plans and wants you to be his girlfriend and then give him some time (while he is away) to see if his actions match his words before you say yes to the girlfriend part. I would say go with your gut feeling however, us women tend to not listen to that enough when we really should! I think you already have your answer though. Good luck! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lorraine:<br />
hmmmm&#8230; re-read your post. I think you already have the answer to your question.  There is so much doubt in your post about this man&#8230;go with your gut feeling&#8230;you&#8217;re feeling it for a reason and dont get blindsided by &#8220;thinking&#8221; that its you, or that you&#8217;re paranoid or anything else.  You said: &#8220;How can i stop doubting and enjoy the week we&#8217;re gonna spend together&#8221;? I think the question should be: Why do you want to spend a week with someone who makes you feel this doubtful when he is away? Its when he is away that would count most to reassure you that things are ok..or to atleast be consistent not for the one week out of many that he gets to play &#8220;fun&#8221; and be on his &#8220;best behaviour&#8221; with you until he goes back and then what?<br />
I would not grant him &#8220;being his girlfriend&#8221; until he has proven to you that he deserves to have you as his girlfriend&#8230;.place value on yourself and let him know that its not just a &#8220;title&#8221; for you&#8230; that it actually means he needs to back that up with being present in the relationship. At the very least, the week that he is here you should be having a detailed conversation of what your expectations are if he really plans and wants you to be his girlfriend and then give him some time (while he is away) to see if his actions match his words before you say yes to the girlfriend part. I would say go with your gut feeling however, us women tend to not listen to that enough when we really should! I think you already have your answer though. Good luck! <img src='http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: lorraine</title>
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		<dc:creator>lorraine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t even know if i&#039;m posting this thought in the right place but everyone seems so helpful.  i have an online friend who became my lover a couple of months ago. right after i returned from my visit to him he texted me everyday 100 times, called me every night, talked about our future together, etc. then sometimes he go MIA and says he was on maneuvers. he&#039;s a military guy. we&#039;ve only been together in person 1 weekend and that was a couple of months ago. now the communication is falling off on his side. so i pulled back on communication. soon as i did he&#039;s texting like mad again. he will be spending a week of his leave with me. the other week with his parents. he&#039;s bought the ticket. so i know he&#039;s committed to the week. i haven&#039;t caught him in any bad behavior to date - kinda hard 3000 miles away. yet i can&#039;t shake this feeling that he&#039;s playing me and sending similar texts of undying affection to other women. he asked me to be his girl but doesn&#039;t change his status on any of his social media pages nor does he ever post on mine. not once. it&#039;s like he doesn&#039;t want anyone to know we&#039;re lovers much less friends. since he&#039;s been on leave at his parents i get texts only at certain times which makes me think of the post on this site about how to spot a player. i&#039;ve given him ample opportunity to change his ticket and not come but he insists he wants to be with me. but he hasn&#039;t booked the hotel (i live with my sister). he said he would pay for the whole week. i think he&#039;s gonna come up with some excuse why he can&#039;t book it so i&#039;ll have to pay. he spews all this &#039;i hope we fall in love&#039; stuff via text but i just can&#039;t reconcile it with his actions. if he really felt so strongly, why would he not do anything to come see me before now? and why would he not already book a place to stay? and why is he giving me the neutral friend-style texts while he&#039;s at home? am i being over paranoid? how can i stop doubting and enjoy the week we&#039;re gonna have together or can i know for certain i&#039;m being played and kick him to the curb?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t even know if i&#8217;m posting this thought in the right place but everyone seems so helpful.  i have an online friend who became my lover a couple of months ago. right after i returned from my visit to him he texted me everyday 100 times, called me every night, talked about our future together, etc. then sometimes he go MIA and says he was on maneuvers. he&#8217;s a military guy. we&#8217;ve only been together in person 1 weekend and that was a couple of months ago. now the communication is falling off on his side. so i pulled back on communication. soon as i did he&#8217;s texting like mad again. he will be spending a week of his leave with me. the other week with his parents. he&#8217;s bought the ticket. so i know he&#8217;s committed to the week. i haven&#8217;t caught him in any bad behavior to date &#8211; kinda hard 3000 miles away. yet i can&#8217;t shake this feeling that he&#8217;s playing me and sending similar texts of undying affection to other women. he asked me to be his girl but doesn&#8217;t change his status on any of his social media pages nor does he ever post on mine. not once. it&#8217;s like he doesn&#8217;t want anyone to know we&#8217;re lovers much less friends. since he&#8217;s been on leave at his parents i get texts only at certain times which makes me think of the post on this site about how to spot a player. i&#8217;ve given him ample opportunity to change his ticket and not come but he insists he wants to be with me. but he hasn&#8217;t booked the hotel (i live with my sister). he said he would pay for the whole week. i think he&#8217;s gonna come up with some excuse why he can&#8217;t book it so i&#8217;ll have to pay. he spews all this &#8216;i hope we fall in love&#8217; stuff via text but i just can&#8217;t reconcile it with his actions. if he really felt so strongly, why would he not do anything to come see me before now? and why would he not already book a place to stay? and why is he giving me the neutral friend-style texts while he&#8217;s at home? am i being over paranoid? how can i stop doubting and enjoy the week we&#8217;re gonna have together or can i know for certain i&#8217;m being played and kick him to the curb?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine,

The hurt at separating your life from his murk is both understandable and expected.  We call it grief.  

Our bodies get involved when we bond to someone, we share hormones in shared breaths and other contact, we engage our minds and hearts in learning about them, we make them part of our daily routine.  And then we experience the disruption when they are no longer part of our lives. 

It takes time to work through grief.  Yes, you might find some way to short-circuit the discomfort, but that will just delay finding yourself again, settling out your values and regaining belief in yourself.  

Many of us confuse success in one area of life with empowerment in other areas.  Most of us were never warned, growing up, *why* we need to beware those with &quot;wins bed partner&quot; life skills.  They are perpetual daters, are often manipulative and seldom let honesty or honor get in their way.  They don&#039;t respect anything but &quot;winning&quot; another notch on the bed post.  And they won&#039;t change their habits, even if they ever really &quot;settle down&quot;.

Change is measured in pain.  As you are feeling now, often pain is just . . . hurting.  But when we change our lives, when we take on new values and set new goals for ourselves - dreams die hard, and finding and following a new path is scary and confusing.

For now, the important part is healing from the let down, forgiving yourself.  You will want to understand why you found such a bozo attractive, or you will be likely to fall into this pit again.  And you will want to examine why you found holding onto him important enough to overlook his cheating and deceptions, the lack of respect in his actions - and the second-hand exposure you risk to sexual contact with multiple partners (where you aren&#039;t choosing the partners-once-removed).

Don&#039;t beat yourself up, either.  You aren&#039;t all that naive or that much to blame - you were just unaware that there is an entire class of dysfunctional clown out there, preying on people, that advertising for various industries has made &quot;glamorous&quot;.  This is *not* new.  The problem existed in 1960 when Jack Lemon. Shirley MacLaine and Fred MacMurray made &quot;The Apartment&quot;.

NML&#039;s ebook, about Mr. Unavailable and the Fallback Girl should give a better idea of what happened to you, and how to recover.

Luck!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Brad K.â€™s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/04/14/dont-love-harder/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Donâ€™t love harder.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine,</p>
<p>The hurt at separating your life from his murk is both understandable and expected.  We call it grief.  </p>
<p>Our bodies get involved when we bond to someone, we share hormones in shared breaths and other contact, we engage our minds and hearts in learning about them, we make them part of our daily routine.  And then we experience the disruption when they are no longer part of our lives. </p>
<p>It takes time to work through grief.  Yes, you might find some way to short-circuit the discomfort, but that will just delay finding yourself again, settling out your values and regaining belief in yourself.  </p>
<p>Many of us confuse success in one area of life with empowerment in other areas.  Most of us were never warned, growing up, *why* we need to beware those with &#8220;wins bed partner&#8221; life skills.  They are perpetual daters, are often manipulative and seldom let honesty or honor get in their way.  They don&#8217;t respect anything but &#8220;winning&#8221; another notch on the bed post.  And they won&#8217;t change their habits, even if they ever really &#8220;settle down&#8221;.</p>
<p>Change is measured in pain.  As you are feeling now, often pain is just . . . hurting.  But when we change our lives, when we take on new values and set new goals for ourselves &#8211; dreams die hard, and finding and following a new path is scary and confusing.</p>
<p>For now, the important part is healing from the let down, forgiving yourself.  You will want to understand why you found such a bozo attractive, or you will be likely to fall into this pit again.  And you will want to examine why you found holding onto him important enough to overlook his cheating and deceptions, the lack of respect in his actions &#8211; and the second-hand exposure you risk to sexual contact with multiple partners (where you aren&#8217;t choosing the partners-once-removed).</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t beat yourself up, either.  You aren&#8217;t all that naive or that much to blame &#8211; you were just unaware that there is an entire class of dysfunctional clown out there, preying on people, that advertising for various industries has made &#8220;glamorous&#8221;.  This is *not* new.  The problem existed in 1960 when Jack Lemon. Shirley MacLaine and Fred MacMurray made &#8220;The Apartment&#8221;.</p>
<p>NML&#8217;s ebook, about Mr. Unavailable and the Fallback Girl should give a better idea of what happened to you, and how to recover.</p>
<p>Luck!</p>
<p><abbr><em>Brad K.â€™s last blog post..<a href="http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/04/14/dont-love-harder/" rel="nofollow">Donâ€™t love harder.</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stumbled on this site when I googled : How to get over a realtionship with a married man:&quot;  THANK GOD i found it, It has given me so much clarity and resolve.  My story is embarrassing due to the fact that as a highly successful educated business woman I thougt I would never get into a situation like this, My AC dated me for over a year before one night he finally told me he was married.  He travels alot and has a home in DC , AZ and TX, He woudl fly in we woudl hook up and then spend countless hours on the phone, There were red flags that I chose to ignore because I thougt &quot;Why would he ever lie to me&quot; I am a great woman&quot; well I have came to realize incredibly naive.  once I found out he was married I was devastated and broke things off for almost an entire day!  we continued the relationship and i tried very hard to understand and believe all his BS.  He constantly told me that I was his best friend and I shared more with him and told him more about me than I had to anyone.  It wasnt until last week when he proposed a road trip for this summer, Driving from Dc to Dallas ( sounded like so much fun) that he said once we got to Atlanta he would need to see some relatives and that I could just hang out at the hotel for a couple of days that it &quot;FULLY&quot; dawned on me that &quot;I was a fool&quot;.  Sitting in a hotel room for two days while he visited with relatives was totally rediculous, ( I pictured myself lying inthe floor board as we left town for fear that &quot;His Realtives might see me&quot;.  Something so deep inside finally rose to the surface ...MY SELF ESTEEM and i truly reailzed that this was insane and that i deserved more than being the OW.  So I ave not spoke to him or had any contact with him and the day i made this decision I found this site,  I sat and read everything I could and  it has given me great strength, and when i feel the urge to call him I pull this site up and read away, it gives me strength to stand firm.
I am battling missing him so much even the ends of my hair hurt, he has said he loves me and I am the best woman he knows, I now know that he is has mastered the art of seduction and I have been his soft place to land with absoulutely no strings attached,   The fact that I could never ever TRUST HIM, no matter how painful is helping me get over him, It is a painful process but with all your help and support I know I will eventually be fine.  Thank you so much</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled on this site when I googled : How to get over a realtionship with a married man:&#8221;  THANK GOD i found it, It has given me so much clarity and resolve.  My story is embarrassing due to the fact that as a highly successful educated business woman I thougt I would never get into a situation like this, My AC dated me for over a year before one night he finally told me he was married.  He travels alot and has a home in DC , AZ and TX, He woudl fly in we woudl hook up and then spend countless hours on the phone, There were red flags that I chose to ignore because I thougt &#8220;Why would he ever lie to me&#8221; I am a great woman&#8221; well I have came to realize incredibly naive.  once I found out he was married I was devastated and broke things off for almost an entire day!  we continued the relationship and i tried very hard to understand and believe all his BS.  He constantly told me that I was his best friend and I shared more with him and told him more about me than I had to anyone.  It wasnt until last week when he proposed a road trip for this summer, Driving from Dc to Dallas ( sounded like so much fun) that he said once we got to Atlanta he would need to see some relatives and that I could just hang out at the hotel for a couple of days that it &#8220;FULLY&#8221; dawned on me that &#8220;I was a fool&#8221;.  Sitting in a hotel room for two days while he visited with relatives was totally rediculous, ( I pictured myself lying inthe floor board as we left town for fear that &#8220;His Realtives might see me&#8221;.  Something so deep inside finally rose to the surface &#8230;MY SELF ESTEEM and i truly reailzed that this was insane and that i deserved more than being the OW.  So I ave not spoke to him or had any contact with him and the day i made this decision I found this site,  I sat and read everything I could and  it has given me great strength, and when i feel the urge to call him I pull this site up and read away, it gives me strength to stand firm.<br />
I am battling missing him so much even the ends of my hair hurt, he has said he loves me and I am the best woman he knows, I now know that he is has mastered the art of seduction and I have been his soft place to land with absoulutely no strings attached,   The fact that I could never ever TRUST HIM, no matter how painful is helping me get over him, It is a painful process but with all your help and support I know I will eventually be fine.  Thank you so much</p>
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		<title>By: Hayley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hayley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 07:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Brad,
   my friend ran into him at a pub this weekend. He was hitting on all the women and giving them the sob story that &quot;his friends dragged him out to the bars (hes actually a chronic drinker) because he is heartbroken, because  HIS GIRLFRIEND CHEATED ON HIM AND DUMPED HIM!!! Wow thats funny! I didn&#039;t cheat on him, he cheated on me! He is a clown! His behavior is laughable. Thank-you for your well wishes! I need all the positive energy I can get!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Brad,<br />
   my friend ran into him at a pub this weekend. He was hitting on all the women and giving them the sob story that &#8220;his friends dragged him out to the bars (hes actually a chronic drinker) because he is heartbroken, because  HIS GIRLFRIEND CHEATED ON HIM AND DUMPED HIM!!! Wow thats funny! I didn&#8217;t cheat on him, he cheated on me! He is a clown! His behavior is laughable. Thank-you for your well wishes! I need all the positive energy I can get!</p>
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		<title>By: Brad K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 05:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hayley,

Good luck.  I imagine life will seem pretty dull, at first, when you leave the intense angers and fears of all that drama behind you.  Learning to find joy in life takes time and getting to know yourself in peace and quiet.  Joy is something that you can share without hurting anyone, &quot;My, my! Aren&#039;t the blossoms beautiful this spring!&quot;- instead of gossip and humor (there is no humor without pain) and other forms of &quot;I am better than .. &quot;(fill in the blank) intimidations.

Learning there is more strength in a smile than in a bully&#039;s threat is a very powerful lesson, and quite empowering.  Best of luck to you!.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Brad K.â€™s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/04/15/for-a-happy-marriage-look-for-the-smile/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;For a happy marriage - look for the smile.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hayley,</p>
<p>Good luck.  I imagine life will seem pretty dull, at first, when you leave the intense angers and fears of all that drama behind you.  Learning to find joy in life takes time and getting to know yourself in peace and quiet.  Joy is something that you can share without hurting anyone, &#8220;My, my! Aren&#8217;t the blossoms beautiful this spring!&#8221;- instead of gossip and humor (there is no humor without pain) and other forms of &#8220;I am better than .. &#8220;(fill in the blank) intimidations.</p>
<p>Learning there is more strength in a smile than in a bully&#8217;s threat is a very powerful lesson, and quite empowering.  Best of luck to you!.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Brad K.â€™s last blog post..<a href="http://www.itsaboutmakingbabies.com/2009/04/15/for-a-happy-marriage-look-for-the-smile/" rel="nofollow">For a happy marriage &#8211; look for the smile.</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Hayley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hayley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 05:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brad,
  Thank-you for your response. The window thing was very scary. I would&#039;ve ended it based on that alone. 
 It&#039;s funny you mention this:
&quot;Instead of focusing on the sex, and the condoms, and the risk of exposure to STDâ€™s - focus on why you put up with a man with no character.&quot;
Over the last few days I have been evaluating his character. A week ago, I couldn&#039;t see how this man who I thought had genuine feelings turned on me. After careful examination, I realized I had been fooling myself the whole time. He has behaved terribly throughout the relationship. He has hung out with idiots throughout. I always (for some reason) seperated him form his crowd. Idolizing him and wondering why he hangs out with jerks, giving him too much credit. Now I realize he is one in the same with the immoral trash he hangs around with. 
  This is the second time I have been in a relationship where I have been belittled, humiliated and stabbed in the back in favor of his friends (whether I knew it or not at the time). I can honestly say never again. I am looking forward to meeting an honorable man to share the rest of my life with, no more of this kiddie shit.  It has been over 2 weeks since I left him, and exactly two weeks since i told him to pound sand and initiated no contact. He tried to contact me a few times since then. Fortunately for me, I am sticking to the silent treatment, because I have no intentions of ever talking to him again. For one, I wouldn&#039;t treat an enemy with the inconsideration he treated me with, and I was suppose to be his lover! It is all laughable. I love what you said about people never changing. You&#039;re right, he was always a jerk, and I don&#039;t have to consult my magic 8 ball to know that it is &quot;very doubtful&quot; there will be any changes in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brad,<br />
  Thank-you for your response. The window thing was very scary. I would&#8217;ve ended it based on that alone.<br />
 It&#8217;s funny you mention this:<br />
&#8220;Instead of focusing on the sex, and the condoms, and the risk of exposure to STDâ€™s &#8211; focus on why you put up with a man with no character.&#8221;<br />
Over the last few days I have been evaluating his character. A week ago, I couldn&#8217;t see how this man who I thought had genuine feelings turned on me. After careful examination, I realized I had been fooling myself the whole time. He has behaved terribly throughout the relationship. He has hung out with idiots throughout. I always (for some reason) seperated him form his crowd. Idolizing him and wondering why he hangs out with jerks, giving him too much credit. Now I realize he is one in the same with the immoral trash he hangs around with.<br />
  This is the second time I have been in a relationship where I have been belittled, humiliated and stabbed in the back in favor of his friends (whether I knew it or not at the time). I can honestly say never again. I am looking forward to meeting an honorable man to share the rest of my life with, no more of this kiddie shit.  It has been over 2 weeks since I left him, and exactly two weeks since i told him to pound sand and initiated no contact. He tried to contact me a few times since then. Fortunately for me, I am sticking to the silent treatment, because I have no intentions of ever talking to him again. For one, I wouldn&#8217;t treat an enemy with the inconsideration he treated me with, and I was suppose to be his lover! It is all laughable. I love what you said about people never changing. You&#8217;re right, he was always a jerk, and I don&#8217;t have to consult my magic 8 ball to know that it is &#8220;very doubtful&#8221; there will be any changes in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: EastCoastCrazy</title>
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		<dc:creator>EastCoastCrazy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 10:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW...reading all of these comments I must say I don&#039;t feel so alone in the relationships boat. I met this man...and we connected on various levels.  I was cautious at first...gave him every opportunity to walk away but he stuck...telling me he wanted to start a life with me...I was his bright shiny lighthouse...doll of his dreams the one he wanted to spend the rest of his life with.  I moved to be near him, changed jobs and all that...(he couldnt come to me..military)...then when things got close he bolted.  I became a lunatic..because I wanted what he promised...prior to coming there i asked him one last time did he really want to do this..he said yes...i told him I didnt want to get there and be dumped when the going got rough...i guess i knew...what would inevitiably happen.  Now we are done...and I can&#039;t stop obsessing...I can&#039;t stop picking it apart analyzing and thinking it was all my fault..if i had just backed off and given him his space...to get his head together....but would it really??? I have such anxiety i can&#039;t sleep or eat....how can i break this chain....and close the door and stop the thoughts of wanting to work it out when there is nothing to work out???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW&#8230;reading all of these comments I must say I don&#8217;t feel so alone in the relationships boat. I met this man&#8230;and we connected on various levels.  I was cautious at first&#8230;gave him every opportunity to walk away but he stuck&#8230;telling me he wanted to start a life with me&#8230;I was his bright shiny lighthouse&#8230;doll of his dreams the one he wanted to spend the rest of his life with.  I moved to be near him, changed jobs and all that&#8230;(he couldnt come to me..military)&#8230;then when things got close he bolted.  I became a lunatic..because I wanted what he promised&#8230;prior to coming there i asked him one last time did he really want to do this..he said yes&#8230;i told him I didnt want to get there and be dumped when the going got rough&#8230;i guess i knew&#8230;what would inevitiably happen.  Now we are done&#8230;and I can&#8217;t stop obsessing&#8230;I can&#8217;t stop picking it apart analyzing and thinking it was all my fault..if i had just backed off and given him his space&#8230;to get his head together&#8230;.but would it really??? I have such anxiety i can&#8217;t sleep or eat&#8230;.how can i break this chain&#8230;.and close the door and stop the thoughts of wanting to work it out when there is nothing to work out???</p>
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