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		<title>By: NML</title>
		<link>http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/red-flag-relationships-and-behaviour-for-drama-seekers/comment-page-1/#comment-253690</link>
		<dc:creator>NML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 11:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul, I take your point about the fact that a lot of the articles are gender led, however that&#039;s not to fuel a stereotype; it&#039;s because the audience is by and large women but also because no post on here is written in isolation - they fit contextually into a bigger picture which has by and large been about an ongoing discussion to help empower women to have better relationships both with themselves and others. I&#039;m very much accountability so I do not encourage readers to assume victim status and instead ask people to deal with what they have control over and understand how they come to find themselves in this situation. This is not a blame men site - this is why I&#039;ve ended up having a lot of male readers - the site is read by nearly 140K unique users a month, plus I also find that what I write about transcends sexuality so I get contacted by a lot of gay readers also.
That aside, I don&#039;t condone violence by either sex. I am unaware of a social norm that regards female violence as justifiable - violence is violence. You&#039;re in a situation that is incredibly painful and abusive and you feel trapped because that is the impact of being with an abuser where there control appears to remove your options. I also have to say, that whilst violence is violence, I do feel that violence towards men is played down, misunderstood and widely underdiscussed. I certainly don&#039;t expect you to &#039;get over it&#039; and so by the same token by which you feel that there is generalising about men, maybe you need to realise that you&#039;re generalising about women. I don&#039;t have the easy answer but I do suggest that the first thing you do is help build your own strength in this situation by speaking with someone. It&#039;s also fair to say that your wife needs help although it doesn&#039;t sound like something she may be willing to hear... Always remember that you can still be a father to your daughter even if you are not in the same home but I also appreciate that you feel uncomfortable about going. However you&#039;re also removing your options. If you&#039;re going to stay, seeking outside help via counselling etc are the key options because people who are abusive rely on you doing what they expect. Until they feel distinct negative consequences and recognition that you won&#039;t put up with their behaviour, they continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul, I take your point about the fact that a lot of the articles are gender led, however that&#8217;s not to fuel a stereotype; it&#8217;s because the audience is by and large women but also because no post on here is written in isolation &#8211; they fit contextually into a bigger picture which has by and large been about an ongoing discussion to help empower women to have better relationships both with themselves and others. I&#8217;m very much accountability so I do not encourage readers to assume victim status and instead ask people to deal with what they have control over and understand how they come to find themselves in this situation. This is not a blame men site &#8211; this is why I&#8217;ve ended up having a lot of male readers &#8211; the site is read by nearly 140K unique users a month, plus I also find that what I write about transcends sexuality so I get contacted by a lot of gay readers also.<br />
That aside, I don&#8217;t condone violence by either sex. I am unaware of a social norm that regards female violence as justifiable &#8211; violence is violence. You&#8217;re in a situation that is incredibly painful and abusive and you feel trapped because that is the impact of being with an abuser where there control appears to remove your options. I also have to say, that whilst violence is violence, I do feel that violence towards men is played down, misunderstood and widely underdiscussed. I certainly don&#8217;t expect you to &#8216;get over it&#8217; and so by the same token by which you feel that there is generalising about men, maybe you need to realise that you&#8217;re generalising about women. I don&#8217;t have the easy answer but I do suggest that the first thing you do is help build your own strength in this situation by speaking with someone. It&#8217;s also fair to say that your wife needs help although it doesn&#8217;t sound like something she may be willing to hear&#8230; Always remember that you can still be a father to your daughter even if you are not in the same home but I also appreciate that you feel uncomfortable about going. However you&#8217;re also removing your options. If you&#8217;re going to stay, seeking outside help via counselling etc are the key options because people who are abusive rely on you doing what they expect. Until they feel distinct negative consequences and recognition that you won&#8217;t put up with their behaviour, they continue.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/red-flag-relationships-and-behaviour-for-drama-seekers/comment-page-1/#comment-253686</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 10:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article... well... mostly. Once I reached the gender specific references contained in the list of red flags, I spent the rest of the article replacing &#039;he&#039; with &#039;he/she&#039; to add an element of neutrality.

I understand that this is a site for women, by women, and only stumbled upon this article after I Googled &#039;violent women justify behaviour on hormones&#039;. So, I hope you can appreciate my situation as a desperately unhappy man struggling in a destructive and dysfunctional relationship, and why I continued to read this article, reader comments, and take the time to add a personal view.

I don&#039;t need to dig too deeply to apply several red flags you described to myself. I don&#039;t imagine too many men and women who couldn&#039;t apply at least one to themselves at some stage(s) during their lives. If you are in a dysfunctional relationship, then, like me, you&#039;ll probably relate to more than one.

Yet, the more I read on this site and others about what are seemingly male-oriented behaviours, the more I sense a pervasive attitude that regard males as genetically predisposed to growing into mal-adjusted, misogynistic men.

I&#039;ve known men whose traits and behaviour strengthens the stereotype, however, the gender bias of articles such as this one, and the sheer number of articles/sites/publications out in the ether referring to &#039;he&#039; when describing negative human traits, perpetuates a distorted view, in my opinion.

From bitter experience I have gained first-hand knowledge of all the red flags mentioned - seemingly applied only to men - perpetrated by a woman - abuse and violence in particular. BTW: abuse and violence, is not, has never been, nor will be one of my traits.

My own experience has unfortunately proven to me that when my wife becomes uncontrollably abusive and violent 3-5 days per month, society&#039;s predominant attitude is to either laugh it off and say &#039;be a man... toughen up... get over it...&#039;, or suggest I&#039;m intolerant toward female biology.

There is virtually no support, recourse, understanding, or compassion, from men or women - issues like abuse and violence appear to be taken seriously only when perpetrated by a man, not vice versa.

The more successful a woman in her career, and the better educated, the less likely she is to be viewed as being capable of such behaviour. This, has been my experience.

As a husband, and a father, I feel left with very few options. To stay, legitimises dangerous and destructive behaviour, to leave, means leaving our home and young daughter, whom I love dearly.

The prospect of contending with a hostile society&#039;s attitude towards a man walking out on his family, regardless of the circumstances, doesn&#039;t sit comfortably with me either.

I&#039;d like to say I shouldn&#039;t have ignored the red flags when I first met my wife, but by doing so I&#039;d also be saying I wished my young daughter wasn&#039;t born, which couldn&#039;t be further from the truth.

If only our attitudes towards equality weren&#039;t so unequal, maybe social norms wouldn&#039;t regard female abuse and violence towards men as a somehow justifiable and benign act. It might also mean some men aren&#039;t left feeling helpless, hopeless, intimidated and isolated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article&#8230; well&#8230; mostly. Once I reached the gender specific references contained in the list of red flags, I spent the rest of the article replacing &#8216;he&#8217; with &#8216;he/she&#8217; to add an element of neutrality.</p>
<p>I understand that this is a site for women, by women, and only stumbled upon this article after I Googled &#8216;violent women justify behaviour on hormones&#8217;. So, I hope you can appreciate my situation as a desperately unhappy man struggling in a destructive and dysfunctional relationship, and why I continued to read this article, reader comments, and take the time to add a personal view.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need to dig too deeply to apply several red flags you described to myself. I don&#8217;t imagine too many men and women who couldn&#8217;t apply at least one to themselves at some stage(s) during their lives. If you are in a dysfunctional relationship, then, like me, you&#8217;ll probably relate to more than one.</p>
<p>Yet, the more I read on this site and others about what are seemingly male-oriented behaviours, the more I sense a pervasive attitude that regard males as genetically predisposed to growing into mal-adjusted, misogynistic men.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve known men whose traits and behaviour strengthens the stereotype, however, the gender bias of articles such as this one, and the sheer number of articles/sites/publications out in the ether referring to &#8216;he&#8217; when describing negative human traits, perpetuates a distorted view, in my opinion.</p>
<p>From bitter experience I have gained first-hand knowledge of all the red flags mentioned &#8211; seemingly applied only to men &#8211; perpetrated by a woman &#8211; abuse and violence in particular. BTW: abuse and violence, is not, has never been, nor will be one of my traits.</p>
<p>My own experience has unfortunately proven to me that when my wife becomes uncontrollably abusive and violent 3-5 days per month, society&#8217;s predominant attitude is to either laugh it off and say &#8216;be a man&#8230; toughen up&#8230; get over it&#8230;&#8217;, or suggest I&#8217;m intolerant toward female biology.</p>
<p>There is virtually no support, recourse, understanding, or compassion, from men or women &#8211; issues like abuse and violence appear to be taken seriously only when perpetrated by a man, not vice versa.</p>
<p>The more successful a woman in her career, and the better educated, the less likely she is to be viewed as being capable of such behaviour. This, has been my experience.</p>
<p>As a husband, and a father, I feel left with very few options. To stay, legitimises dangerous and destructive behaviour, to leave, means leaving our home and young daughter, whom I love dearly.</p>
<p>The prospect of contending with a hostile society&#8217;s attitude towards a man walking out on his family, regardless of the circumstances, doesn&#8217;t sit comfortably with me either.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to say I shouldn&#8217;t have ignored the red flags when I first met my wife, but by doing so I&#8217;d also be saying I wished my young daughter wasn&#8217;t born, which couldn&#8217;t be further from the truth.</p>
<p>If only our attitudes towards equality weren&#8217;t so unequal, maybe social norms wouldn&#8217;t regard female abuse and violence towards men as a somehow justifiable and benign act. It might also mean some men aren&#8217;t left feeling helpless, hopeless, intimidated and isolated.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/red-flag-relationships-and-behaviour-for-drama-seekers/comment-page-1/#comment-235229</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My ex filled most of these red flags, and our relationship as well. Your advice should be spread around fast because I know there are lots of women out there in an unhealthy relationship who probably don&#039;t even realize it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ex filled most of these red flags, and our relationship as well. Your advice should be spread around fast because I know there are lots of women out there in an unhealthy relationship who probably don&#8217;t even realize it.</p>
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		<title>By: NML</title>
		<link>http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/red-flag-relationships-and-behaviour-for-drama-seekers/comment-page-1/#comment-151865</link>
		<dc:creator>NML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally Over It - Three! Run like the wind! How do you cope with him?!
Honey - Now that&#039;s a very good question! What I find is that people don&#039;t look at it as keeping their best interests at heart and instead focus on what they think they&#039;re missing as opposed to the reality.
Astelle - Very, very, true. He wanted to run his mouth and for all intents and purposes, he could have been having a conversation with a wall as he didn&#039;t want any feedback. In fact, he didn&#039;t want conversation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally Over It &#8211; Three! Run like the wind! How do you cope with him?!<br />
Honey &#8211; Now that&#8217;s a very good question! What I find is that people don&#8217;t look at it as keeping their best interests at heart and instead focus on what they think they&#8217;re missing as opposed to the reality.<br />
Astelle &#8211; Very, very, true. He wanted to run his mouth and for all intents and purposes, he could have been having a conversation with a wall as he didn&#8217;t want any feedback. In fact, he didn&#8217;t want conversation!</p>
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		<title>By: Astelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not just they are not a good candiate for relationships, they treat everybody poorly.
That makes them bad co-workers, bad friends and parents.
I was the sounding board for my dude, he would talk about his kids and when I made a comment, he would say: you don&#039;t know what you are talking about. Hmmm, I raised 2 kids, he is right, I don&#039;t know what I am talking about...
I am just a mere woman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not just they are not a good candiate for relationships, they treat everybody poorly.<br />
That makes them bad co-workers, bad friends and parents.<br />
I was the sounding board for my dude, he would talk about his kids and when I made a comment, he would say: you don&#8217;t know what you are talking about. Hmmm, I raised 2 kids, he is right, I don&#8217;t know what I am talking about&#8230;<br />
I am just a mere woman.</p>
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		<title>By: Honey</title>
		<link>http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/red-flag-relationships-and-behaviour-for-drama-seekers/comment-page-1/#comment-151765</link>
		<dc:creator>Honey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great advice!  I think it can&#039;t be stressed enough that it&#039;s important to realize when you&#039;re justifying so that you can strip those scales from your eyes and force yourself to make the tough decisions.  Gradually it gets easier--how long can looking out for your own best interests be tough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great advice!  I think it can&#8217;t be stressed enough that it&#8217;s important to realize when you&#8217;re justifying so that you can strip those scales from your eyes and force yourself to make the tough decisions.  Gradually it gets easier&#8211;how long can looking out for your own best interests be tough?</p>
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		<title>By: FinallyOverIt</title>
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		<dc:creator>FinallyOverIt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Post!  My EUM has three of the red flags you listed.  He is emotionally unavailable, is addicted to something (alcohol), and has issues from his childhood.  Hmmmm.....I&#039;m guessin&#039; he&#039;s not a real good candidate for a relationship!  Thanks for the eye opener, NML!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Post!  My EUM has three of the red flags you listed.  He is emotionally unavailable, is addicted to something (alcohol), and has issues from his childhood.  Hmmmm&#8230;..I&#8217;m guessin&#8217; he&#8217;s not a real good candidate for a relationship!  Thanks for the eye opener, NML!</p>
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