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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this describes what I did for five years with my ex fiance....The time I wasted is just so hard to think about. I definitely am glad I stumbled on this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this describes what I did for five years with my ex fiance&#8230;.The time I wasted is just so hard to think about. I definitely am glad I stumbled on this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This site is a fantastic find for me!  After managing to escape 2 narcissistis what do I do?   Yep - get myself tied in with a Mr EU/ Player who would like me to take the blame because he claims I have, &quot;passive-aggressive undertones&quot;. (Translated:  I asked for more input in time and effort in our supposed relationship!).

It&#039;s fancinating to realise that someone like myself, who would have claimed perfectly robust self appreciation - might well indeed be harbouring low self-esteem and creating patterns that verify hidden beliefs about myself/relationships.

Well, today begins the work to change: I intend to read every page written so far.  Many Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This site is a fantastic find for me!  After managing to escape 2 narcissistis what do I do?   Yep &#8211; get myself tied in with a Mr EU/ Player who would like me to take the blame because he claims I have, &#8220;passive-aggressive undertones&#8221;. (Translated:  I asked for more input in time and effort in our supposed relationship!).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fancinating to realise that someone like myself, who would have claimed perfectly robust self appreciation &#8211; might well indeed be harbouring low self-esteem and creating patterns that verify hidden beliefs about myself/relationships.</p>
<p>Well, today begins the work to change: I intend to read every page written so far.  Many Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: annied</title>
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		<dc:creator>annied</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One of the core characteristics of unhealthy relationships with Mr Unavailableâ€™s and assclowns is that rather than the relationship growing and developing, it instead starts to recede, yank along in fits and starts, or grind to an irritating halt.&quot;

This is exactly, exactly what happened to me! The EUM I was involved with kept managing down our relationship bit by bit and I stayed - perhaps hoping, like you said, that it would pick up again.

Each time I was at his house, I felt smaller and smaller - less and less important. When I told him that one of our weekends together felt awkward and empty - he said, &quot;oh, I didnt notice.&quot;

After that I became hyper-aware of the dissolve. Now there is nothing left at all. I&#039;d be willing to bet that he &quot;blames&quot; me for the end of &quot;us&quot;. He doesnt understand why we cant be &quot;close&quot; - in other words, why I cant be there for him when he needs something/someone.

Well, I&#039;ve been way too long on perpetual stand-by. I&#039;ve never known someone so self-absorbed and self-serving. He is blind to the world around him and I&#039;m not waiting for a Miracle eye-opener.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One of the core characteristics of unhealthy relationships with Mr Unavailableâ€™s and assclowns is that rather than the relationship growing and developing, it instead starts to recede, yank along in fits and starts, or grind to an irritating halt.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is exactly, exactly what happened to me! The EUM I was involved with kept managing down our relationship bit by bit and I stayed &#8211; perhaps hoping, like you said, that it would pick up again.</p>
<p>Each time I was at his house, I felt smaller and smaller &#8211; less and less important. When I told him that one of our weekends together felt awkward and empty &#8211; he said, &#8220;oh, I didnt notice.&#8221;</p>
<p>After that I became hyper-aware of the dissolve. Now there is nothing left at all. I&#8217;d be willing to bet that he &#8220;blames&#8221; me for the end of &#8220;us&#8221;. He doesnt understand why we cant be &#8220;close&#8221; &#8211; in other words, why I cant be there for him when he needs something/someone.</p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;ve been way too long on perpetual stand-by. I&#8217;ve never known someone so self-absorbed and self-serving. He is blind to the world around him and I&#8217;m not waiting for a Miracle eye-opener.</p>
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		<title>By: Nika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you&#039;re in the thick of it...the pain is unbearable and I often wonder why I keep finding myself in the same situation...being totally chased and wooed only to find myself wondering when (or if) he would call me. I have been dating someone for about 10 months now and that gut feeling I had (of something not being right) started about 3 months ago...and I saw the same patterns emerging...infrequent phone calls...not returning calls...seeing each other on a very limited schedule...and it all truly goes back to what this article is saying: you are your patterns...makes me realize that I have falling in love with the same kind of unavailable man and I really need to step back and decide what I really want..and if I&#039;m ready myself to give of myself. I just told my boyfriend last night that I really felt I deserved better and driving home I was overwhelmingly sad...but elated at the same time...because I finally had a chance to stand up for myself. Every woman deserves a man who loves them unconditionally and although I am still waiting for that man to appear in my life, I can&#039;t give up hope on him...nor of MYSELF....blessings to all of you and keep the great comments and personal stories coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you&#8217;re in the thick of it&#8230;the pain is unbearable and I often wonder why I keep finding myself in the same situation&#8230;being totally chased and wooed only to find myself wondering when (or if) he would call me. I have been dating someone for about 10 months now and that gut feeling I had (of something not being right) started about 3 months ago&#8230;and I saw the same patterns emerging&#8230;infrequent phone calls&#8230;not returning calls&#8230;seeing each other on a very limited schedule&#8230;and it all truly goes back to what this article is saying: you are your patterns&#8230;makes me realize that I have falling in love with the same kind of unavailable man and I really need to step back and decide what I really want..and if I&#8217;m ready myself to give of myself. I just told my boyfriend last night that I really felt I deserved better and driving home I was overwhelmingly sad&#8230;but elated at the same time&#8230;because I finally had a chance to stand up for myself. Every woman deserves a man who loves them unconditionally and although I am still waiting for that man to appear in my life, I can&#8217;t give up hope on him&#8230;nor of MYSELF&#8230;.blessings to all of you and keep the great comments and personal stories coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for this website, I have learned so much from it in the last few months.

This topic is especially wise and thank again for writing it.  I do see myself in it, all over the place.  I have spent the last six months working on myself, and grieving a relationship that I thought I wanted - but the man was unable to give.  He &#039;disappeared&#039; pretty much, except for one small but loving email saying he was was &#039;working&#039; on things in his life but he cared about me and the relationship.  

I have many years of recovery in al-anon and don&#039;t drink myself, but also attend aa meetings.  Those two programs have taught me incredible amounts about myself, my family history and my interactions with others.  Therapy has also been a Godsend.  But for me, intimacy - with myself and with others - has been the last and most hardest thing to work out.  The gift of this last relationship was that I have spent the time crying, healing old grief and making big, big changes in myself and how I interact with others.

I do still care about and for this person but we have not talked in many months.  He has things to work out for himself and - maybe for him, the relationship we had was something that has sent him working on himself.  He is a good person, but he is not able to be in a relationship with me.  Maybe, not wth anyone right now - I don&#039;t know.

Thank you, thank!! for these wonderful, thoughtful posts.  I have been reading other books on fear of intimacy including an excellent one called &quot;Fear of Intimacy,&quot; by Robert Firestone.  These are excellent books!  In the end it comes down to me and what am I doing with what I have.  I need to keep focusing on myself and what I am responsible for and what I am not, and am I making the most of my life as it is?  What do I need to change in myself?

Thank you thank to the founder of this blog!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for this website, I have learned so much from it in the last few months.</p>
<p>This topic is especially wise and thank again for writing it.  I do see myself in it, all over the place.  I have spent the last six months working on myself, and grieving a relationship that I thought I wanted &#8211; but the man was unable to give.  He &#8216;disappeared&#8217; pretty much, except for one small but loving email saying he was was &#8216;working&#8217; on things in his life but he cared about me and the relationship.  </p>
<p>I have many years of recovery in al-anon and don&#8217;t drink myself, but also attend aa meetings.  Those two programs have taught me incredible amounts about myself, my family history and my interactions with others.  Therapy has also been a Godsend.  But for me, intimacy &#8211; with myself and with others &#8211; has been the last and most hardest thing to work out.  The gift of this last relationship was that I have spent the time crying, healing old grief and making big, big changes in myself and how I interact with others.</p>
<p>I do still care about and for this person but we have not talked in many months.  He has things to work out for himself and &#8211; maybe for him, the relationship we had was something that has sent him working on himself.  He is a good person, but he is not able to be in a relationship with me.  Maybe, not wth anyone right now &#8211; I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Thank you, thank!! for these wonderful, thoughtful posts.  I have been reading other books on fear of intimacy including an excellent one called &#8220;Fear of Intimacy,&#8221; by Robert Firestone.  These are excellent books!  In the end it comes down to me and what am I doing with what I have.  I need to keep focusing on myself and what I am responsible for and what I am not, and am I making the most of my life as it is?  What do I need to change in myself?</p>
<p>Thank you thank to the founder of this blog!!</p>
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		<title>By: ph2072</title>
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		<dc:creator>ph2072</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 05:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still struggling with self-fulfilling prophecies.  Re-reading again in order to de-program this from my brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still struggling with self-fulfilling prophecies.  Re-reading again in order to de-program this from my brain.</p>
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		<title>By: Arlene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 10:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is so on the money.  The saddest thing is all the energy spent on breathing life into a corpse, as you so delicately put it, and our inability to let go.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Arleneâ€™s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.relationshiptalk.net/how-to-dealmaking-a-long-distance-relationship-work-215.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How to Deal:making a long-distance relationship work&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is so on the money.  The saddest thing is all the energy spent on breathing life into a corpse, as you so delicately put it, and our inability to let go.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Arleneâ€™s last blog post..<a href="http://www.relationshiptalk.net/how-to-dealmaking-a-long-distance-relationship-work-215.html" rel="nofollow">How to Deal:making a long-distance relationship work</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: searchingwithin</title>
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		<dc:creator>searchingwithin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 17:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad that I finally realized that I was the one that was at the core of my problems. Not other people, and not circumstances, but rather me drawing them to me. I am so glad that I began looking within, and finding the answers, and even though I am not completely healed, I am so much further, with so much understanding, than I have been my whole life. Just wish I had started earlier, rather than just living day to day like a super ball bouncing all over the place from situation to situation, allowing the wind and obstacles to take me where they will.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;searchingwithinâ€™s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://openyourhearttothelove.blogspot.com/2009/05/whats-emotional-maturity-needs-and.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What&#039;s Emotional Maturity, Needs and Denial Got To Do With It?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad that I finally realized that I was the one that was at the core of my problems. Not other people, and not circumstances, but rather me drawing them to me. I am so glad that I began looking within, and finding the answers, and even though I am not completely healed, I am so much further, with so much understanding, than I have been my whole life. Just wish I had started earlier, rather than just living day to day like a super ball bouncing all over the place from situation to situation, allowing the wind and obstacles to take me where they will.</p>
<p><abbr><em>searchingwithinâ€™s last blog post..<a href="http://openyourhearttothelove.blogspot.com/2009/05/whats-emotional-maturity-needs-and.html" rel="nofollow">What&#8217;s Emotional Maturity, Needs and Denial Got To Do With It?</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: ph2072</title>
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		<dc:creator>ph2072</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 06:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find myself feeling hypervigilant as of late, looking for negatives to point out with Mr. ph2072.  It&#039;s feeding into my belief that all men cheat and that I might as well join &#039;em because I sure can&#039;t beat &#039;em.  :-&#124;  If I&#039;m in a monogamous relationship I do not cheat, but I&#039;ve been in situations where the men sure cheated on me. :-&#124; So lately I&#039;ve been feeling that since all men cheat, I might as well do the same.  I know I won&#039;t - I&#039;d rather leave than do that - but sometimes those beliefs of men being dogs who are incapable of being monogamous and having feelings hit me hard, just when I think I&#039;m rid of them.  

I need to stop (mentally) catering to my self-fulfilling prophecies like I used to.  It&#039;s hard though. I&#039;m trying so hard not to fall into self-fulfilling prophecies that I&#039;m being hypervigilant when it may not be necessary.  I guess it&#039;s that fear that I&#039;m gonna catch him doing something anyway, the worry that no man is capable of being monogamous, especially with me.  :-&#124;

It&#039;s way past my bedtime, maybe I&#039;m thinking too much and my hormones are a bit out of whack right now if you know what I mean.  I don&#039;t know.

Thanks for the eye opener NML.  Still have a long way to go.  But I&#039;ve definitely come a long way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find myself feeling hypervigilant as of late, looking for negatives to point out with Mr. ph2072.  It&#8217;s feeding into my belief that all men cheat and that I might as well join &#8216;em because I sure can&#8217;t beat &#8216;em.  <img src='http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif' alt=':-|' class='wp-smiley' />   If I&#8217;m in a monogamous relationship I do not cheat, but I&#8217;ve been in situations where the men sure cheated on me. <img src='http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif' alt=':-|' class='wp-smiley' />  So lately I&#8217;ve been feeling that since all men cheat, I might as well do the same.  I know I won&#8217;t &#8211; I&#8217;d rather leave than do that &#8211; but sometimes those beliefs of men being dogs who are incapable of being monogamous and having feelings hit me hard, just when I think I&#8217;m rid of them.  </p>
<p>I need to stop (mentally) catering to my self-fulfilling prophecies like I used to.  It&#8217;s hard though. I&#8217;m trying so hard not to fall into self-fulfilling prophecies that I&#8217;m being hypervigilant when it may not be necessary.  I guess it&#8217;s that fear that I&#8217;m gonna catch him doing something anyway, the worry that no man is capable of being monogamous, especially with me.  <img src='http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif' alt=':-|' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It&#8217;s way past my bedtime, maybe I&#8217;m thinking too much and my hormones are a bit out of whack right now if you know what I mean.  I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Thanks for the eye opener NML.  Still have a long way to go.  But I&#8217;ve definitely come a long way.</p>
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		<title>By: aphrogirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>aphrogirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 12:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, when I finally understood what was wrong in a bad relationship, I saw that this was the very core of the problem and that is what made me go NC.

It is hard work to love another, whether it is a lover, a friend or a family member. Without a conscious attempt to give it all you got, and that means both feet ( and more !) in, the relationship can only be a shallow unsatisfying one.

When you are involved one who is not either conscious or in control,  you may get the feet in, then out, then one back in, etc etc....big time drama. I found this led me to develop a rich fantasy of what could be if those feet were in.

Problem was the fantasy kept me from the reality that the man was not really able to control those feet, they were directed by some emotional issues he knows he has, but, for whatever reason, cannot or will not come to terms with.

Love is work, hard work, and it never stops being that. But, even though it has the potential to cause as much joy as pain,  it is good work to know how to do.

Being with a flaky AC has made me know more clearly what is required for satisfying relationships, It was such a hard lesson though !

Thanks for another relevant and sensible post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, when I finally understood what was wrong in a bad relationship, I saw that this was the very core of the problem and that is what made me go NC.</p>
<p>It is hard work to love another, whether it is a lover, a friend or a family member. Without a conscious attempt to give it all you got, and that means both feet ( and more !) in, the relationship can only be a shallow unsatisfying one.</p>
<p>When you are involved one who is not either conscious or in control,  you may get the feet in, then out, then one back in, etc etc&#8230;.big time drama. I found this led me to develop a rich fantasy of what could be if those feet were in.</p>
<p>Problem was the fantasy kept me from the reality that the man was not really able to control those feet, they were directed by some emotional issues he knows he has, but, for whatever reason, cannot or will not come to terms with.</p>
<p>Love is work, hard work, and it never stops being that. But, even though it has the potential to cause as much joy as pain,  it is good work to know how to do.</p>
<p>Being with a flaky AC has made me know more clearly what is required for satisfying relationships, It was such a hard lesson though !</p>
<p>Thanks for another relevant and sensible post.</p>
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		<title>By: deirdre</title>
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		<dc:creator>deirdre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 06:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i also find your commentaries sensible and very helpful. thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i also find your commentaries sensible and very helpful. thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: kerri</title>
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		<dc:creator>kerri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 19:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HOLEE-COW.  This is just what I needed to read today.  Especially this:  &quot;The key thing is that when we learn to like and love ourselves, we actually know when someone doesnâ€™t truly like or love us and have our best interests at heart.&quot;  I suspected this for the past few months, but didn&#039;t want to believe it, which caused me to think there was something unloveable about me...how sad.  Thanks for all the blogs - they are soooo good for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HOLEE-COW.  This is just what I needed to read today.  Especially this:  &#8220;The key thing is that when we learn to like and love ourselves, we actually know when someone doesnâ€™t truly like or love us and have our best interests at heart.&#8221;  I suspected this for the past few months, but didn&#8217;t want to believe it, which caused me to think there was something unloveable about me&#8230;how sad.  Thanks for all the blogs &#8211; they are soooo good for me.</p>
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