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		<title>By: Olivia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olivia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 11:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ...

Thankyou for your helpful response. You are of course 100 percent right and I know that I already am aware of what I need to do (leave him!) but I am just looking for the strength to do it. 
By reading your post and others and recognising abusive cycles of behaviour I feel that 2010 has to be the year that I reach my wake up call and make the cut. I hope that all other women out there that are going through what I am find the strength to put themselves first again. Thankyou.</description>
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<p>Thankyou for your helpful response. You are of course 100 percent right and I know that I already am aware of what I need to do (leave him!) but I am just looking for the strength to do it.<br />
By reading your post and others and recognising abusive cycles of behaviour I feel that 2010 has to be the year that I reach my wake up call and make the cut. I hope that all other women out there that are going through what I am find the strength to put themselves first again. Thankyou.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Olivia

You are just an OPTION for him... Who would want to be with someone that&#039;s destructive and abusive? Get it in your mind that you are never going to be HAPPY with him. He feeds you just enough to make you stick around. That&#039;s what they do. Seems like you are at square one and you haven&#039;t really had your wake up moment to leave and never look back. If unhappiness is what you&#039;re in for then stay.... Don&#039;t ask questions cause you already know what&#039;s in it for you.  But if you are serious about receiving the right kind of love and being in a relationship with a man thats capable of loving and committing then you need to make an EXIT.... Good luck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olivia</p>
<p>You are just an OPTION for him&#8230; Who would want to be with someone that&#8217;s destructive and abusive? Get it in your mind that you are never going to be HAPPY with him. He feeds you just enough to make you stick around. That&#8217;s what they do. Seems like you are at square one and you haven&#8217;t really had your wake up moment to leave and never look back. If unhappiness is what you&#8217;re in for then stay&#8230;. Don&#8217;t ask questions cause you already know what&#8217;s in it for you.  But if you are serious about receiving the right kind of love and being in a relationship with a man thats capable of loving and committing then you need to make an EXIT&#8230;. Good luck</p>
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		<title>By: Olivia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olivia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 08:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am finding it very theraputic reading the comments that have been left here. It is refreshing to see that others are going through what I am. 
My destructive boyfriend has been making me the other woman for six years now whilst being abusive to me and sustaining a relationship with his main girlfriend. An extremely manipulative individual, he tells me that he loves me and often denies all knowledge of his family life, although I know that it exsists beyond all reasonable doubt. It is the hardest thing to do, moving on from these men and these destructive realtionships. By them feeding you crumbs and scraps of emotions that get you by but hardly fufil your needs and yet leave you gagging for more from them. My self confidence has reached a mighty all time low and although I know he is bad news I am finding it extremely difficult to move on from him. I know I deserve better but the weak woman who has been feeding his ego for years still wants to cling to him. I do need to seek help as nobody should have to sacrifice their self esteem and morals for an emotionally unavailable man and position as second best in his life. If anyone has any advice in how to get through this awful time, it would be so much appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am finding it very theraputic reading the comments that have been left here. It is refreshing to see that others are going through what I am.<br />
My destructive boyfriend has been making me the other woman for six years now whilst being abusive to me and sustaining a relationship with his main girlfriend. An extremely manipulative individual, he tells me that he loves me and often denies all knowledge of his family life, although I know that it exsists beyond all reasonable doubt. It is the hardest thing to do, moving on from these men and these destructive realtionships. By them feeding you crumbs and scraps of emotions that get you by but hardly fufil your needs and yet leave you gagging for more from them. My self confidence has reached a mighty all time low and although I know he is bad news I am finding it extremely difficult to move on from him. I know I deserve better but the weak woman who has been feeding his ego for years still wants to cling to him. I do need to seek help as nobody should have to sacrifice their self esteem and morals for an emotionally unavailable man and position as second best in his life. If anyone has any advice in how to get through this awful time, it would be so much appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: myrrh</title>
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		<dc:creator>myrrh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 00:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, but it&#039;s a bit easier when you don&#039;t have a child with the man.  that makes it really, really, really hard to let go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, but it&#8217;s a bit easier when you don&#8217;t have a child with the man.  that makes it really, really, really hard to let go.</p>
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		<title>By: Used</title>
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		<dc:creator>Used</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NML--
Thank you for your well-wishes and for the good advice!  

And, yes, it does take a lot of energy/thought to ignore someone.  I will focus on us, our good news, and the people around us--including him, and only very briefly, and in the manner you advised, if he will cross our path that night!  Very likely, he will, and for 2 reasons:  (1)  his wife won&#039;t be there, as she just had a baby herself; and  (2)  the conversation-starter--my big belly--is an avenue for him to try to start to acquaint himself with me again.  I am ready, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NML&#8211;<br />
Thank you for your well-wishes and for the good advice!  </p>
<p>And, yes, it does take a lot of energy/thought to ignore someone.  I will focus on us, our good news, and the people around us&#8211;including him, and only very briefly, and in the manner you advised, if he will cross our path that night!  Very likely, he will, and for 2 reasons:  (1)  his wife won&#8217;t be there, as she just had a baby herself; and  (2)  the conversation-starter&#8211;my big belly&#8211;is an avenue for him to try to start to acquaint himself with me again.  I am ready, though.</p>
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		<title>By: NML</title>
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		<dc:creator>NML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Turbulence25 Thanks!
@skelly Well at least there is no mystery about what could have been. If he doesn&#039;t want to know how you guys came to be at this point, there&#039;s nothing to stop him from taking you back to hell again!
@debbie Hopefully you won&#039;t need it!
@Turbulence25 Even though *you* remember, guys like this wipe the slate clean. It&#039;s like they give themselves license to press a reset button after every offence. No decent guy would put you through this rigmarole - decent people feel uncomfortable benefiting out of taking advantage of you.
@MaryC Short term thinking causes pain and repercussions that last a lot longer. Keep the faith x
@Moving on in 2010 This is why these guys are dangerous. He *knows* what he is doing and assumes by trying to get together with you that you get what he is about - it&#039;s a classic case of he&#039;s thinking you&#039;re hooking up whilst you&#039;re thinking you&#039;re getting back together. Keep going with NC. You know after this recent experience that when you put your hand in the fire, it burns. Don&#039;t open up yourself up to more pain from him. 
@Vanna Absolutely. When we have personal security, we don&#039;t try to get people incapable of love to love and validate us. 
@Aurora If only! Mind you, with some of the parents we have, we&#039;d still have issues ;-)
@Etta Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, put yourself in the position of asking , begging, pleading, hanging around for them to treat you decently. It&#039;s a major hazard and incredibly self-destructive. The fact that you have to get someone to treat you decently speaks volumes about them - it shouldn&#039;t be a stretch.
@DazedandConfused I&#039;m glad you finally see what a creep this guy is. Great progress as I know this has been quite a journey for you. That is definitely one of the better quotes from the book and you&#039;re right about the trivialising because it misses the point about the manipulation, flip flapping, etc that these guys engage in and the impact on your self-esteem.
@Sophia I feel for you and I hope that whatever happens, you can move forward soon. Stick to your deadline and good luck!
@RES Relationships serve to teach us about ourselves and you have learnt and grown out of yours x
@Enlightened Amen, amen, amen! Love is love - it&#039;s not about seeking attention from an AC. Validate your own existence! Love 365 days a year - it&#039;s a frickin Hallmark day!
@Katty Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Turbulence25 Thanks!<br />
@skelly Well at least there is no mystery about what could have been. If he doesn&#8217;t want to know how you guys came to be at this point, there&#8217;s nothing to stop him from taking you back to hell again!<br />
@debbie Hopefully you won&#8217;t need it!<br />
@Turbulence25 Even though *you* remember, guys like this wipe the slate clean. It&#8217;s like they give themselves license to press a reset button after every offence. No decent guy would put you through this rigmarole &#8211; decent people feel uncomfortable benefiting out of taking advantage of you.<br />
@MaryC Short term thinking causes pain and repercussions that last a lot longer. Keep the faith x<br />
@Moving on in 2010 This is why these guys are dangerous. He *knows* what he is doing and assumes by trying to get together with you that you get what he is about &#8211; it&#8217;s a classic case of he&#8217;s thinking you&#8217;re hooking up whilst you&#8217;re thinking you&#8217;re getting back together. Keep going with NC. You know after this recent experience that when you put your hand in the fire, it burns. Don&#8217;t open up yourself up to more pain from him.<br />
@Vanna Absolutely. When we have personal security, we don&#8217;t try to get people incapable of love to love and validate us.<br />
@Aurora If only! Mind you, with some of the parents we have, we&#8217;d still have issues <img src='http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
@Etta Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, put yourself in the position of asking , begging, pleading, hanging around for them to treat you decently. It&#8217;s a major hazard and incredibly self-destructive. The fact that you have to get someone to treat you decently speaks volumes about them &#8211; it shouldn&#8217;t be a stretch.<br />
@DazedandConfused I&#8217;m glad you finally see what a creep this guy is. Great progress as I know this has been quite a journey for you. That is definitely one of the better quotes from the book and you&#8217;re right about the trivialising because it misses the point about the manipulation, flip flapping, etc that these guys engage in and the impact on your self-esteem.<br />
@Sophia I feel for you and I hope that whatever happens, you can move forward soon. Stick to your deadline and good luck!<br />
@RES Relationships serve to teach us about ourselves and you have learnt and grown out of yours x<br />
@Enlightened Amen, amen, amen! Love is love &#8211; it&#8217;s not about seeking attention from an AC. Validate your own existence! Love 365 days a year &#8211; it&#8217;s a frickin Hallmark day!<br />
@Katty Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: katty</title>
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		<dc:creator>katty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post!!!</description>
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		<title>By: NML</title>
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		<dc:creator>NML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will respond to all of the comments when I am properly awake tomorrow as it&#039;s bedtime here but I wanted to say congratulations Used. I&#039;ve been away for a few days due to a bereavement so catching up now. Wonderful news on your pregnancy and I think it&#039;s also a great time to move into a new phase in your life - don&#039;t be giving the baby assclown energy and focus on the happy times ahead. I would stop showing that you care. Get on with enjoying the event. Don&#039;t go out of your way to speak with him, but if he does speak to you, smile brightly, thank him for his good wishes, and move on speedily. You have no place for him or negative energy about him so don&#039;t give him power that he doesn&#039;t warrant or need. Stop showing that you give a damn. It&#039;s a lot of energy to go out of your way to ignore someone - it will cloud your evening. Accept that he&#039;s an assclown and laugh at the fact that he&#039;s someone else&#039;s problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will respond to all of the comments when I am properly awake tomorrow as it&#8217;s bedtime here but I wanted to say congratulations Used. I&#8217;ve been away for a few days due to a bereavement so catching up now. Wonderful news on your pregnancy and I think it&#8217;s also a great time to move into a new phase in your life &#8211; don&#8217;t be giving the baby assclown energy and focus on the happy times ahead. I would stop showing that you care. Get on with enjoying the event. Don&#8217;t go out of your way to speak with him, but if he does speak to you, smile brightly, thank him for his good wishes, and move on speedily. You have no place for him or negative energy about him so don&#8217;t give him power that he doesn&#8217;t warrant or need. Stop showing that you give a damn. It&#8217;s a lot of energy to go out of your way to ignore someone &#8211; it will cloud your evening. Accept that he&#8217;s an assclown and laugh at the fact that he&#8217;s someone else&#8217;s problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Enlightened</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enlightened</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@RES I loved what you wrote: &#039;And even with a fiance, V day is just a day. I insist on being loved 365 days a year. Be your own Valentine!!! Show love for YOU. You canâ€™t begin to enjoy healthy relationships if youâ€™re not emotionally healthy! &#039;

It is JUST A DAY!.....Out of 365!

If someone is who they are.... do you think this 1 day will make them any different in character...good or bad? Will it change anything about the existing situation, good or bad? Of course it won&#039;t.

Here is where we tend to indulge in &#039;fantasy&#039;... and that becomes &#039;our&#039; problem and is not really about the other. 

Agreed, particularly if we don&#039;t have a special someone in our lives at this time, Valentines Day highlights that because it is supposed to represent showing someone you love that you love them. If you feel you have no-one, you can allow yourself to feel somewhat excluded.

Like everything else, it is actually a choice. It is just that we don&#039;t always realise it. Alot of the time we think we are a victim of circumstances. A victim of external forces beyond our control. If only we realised just how powerful we are.....

If you are in a healthy place, whether in or out of a relationship, you are going to feel completely differently about Valentines day. Firstly, you know that &#039;real love and affection&#039;  does not hang on just that one day...a meal, a rose and a cuddly teddy bear!  It is so much more than that. Secondly, you will see it clearly for the commercial marketing that it has become....  and you won&#039;t even want to buy into it. Like RES said, you will be expecting love and romance in its different forms (maybe no teddy bear! ;-) ) 365 days a year!

Thirdly, take away sleeping time, it is all of a few hours long! Why chose to mope about someone who didn&#039;t represent &#039;love&#039; anyway? Better to go out/stay in and have a great time with those who actually do care about and love you...whether it be your kids, family, friends or savouring the delicious moment by yourself.... hassle free!

Maybe Valentine&#039;s Day should be reviewed and made into a day when you love and romance yourself! :-) instead of winding oneself up in expecting it from another. Now wouldn&#039;t that have a completely different emphasis and feeling on that day......

Change the emphasis and you change &#039;the feeling&#039;. That is when you realise...... it is actually a choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@RES I loved what you wrote: &#8216;And even with a fiance, V day is just a day. I insist on being loved 365 days a year. Be your own Valentine!!! Show love for YOU. You canâ€™t begin to enjoy healthy relationships if youâ€™re not emotionally healthy! &#8216;</p>
<p>It is JUST A DAY!&#8230;..Out of 365!</p>
<p>If someone is who they are&#8230;. do you think this 1 day will make them any different in character&#8230;good or bad? Will it change anything about the existing situation, good or bad? Of course it won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Here is where we tend to indulge in &#8216;fantasy&#8217;&#8230; and that becomes &#8216;our&#8217; problem and is not really about the other. </p>
<p>Agreed, particularly if we don&#8217;t have a special someone in our lives at this time, Valentines Day highlights that because it is supposed to represent showing someone you love that you love them. If you feel you have no-one, you can allow yourself to feel somewhat excluded.</p>
<p>Like everything else, it is actually a choice. It is just that we don&#8217;t always realise it. Alot of the time we think we are a victim of circumstances. A victim of external forces beyond our control. If only we realised just how powerful we are&#8230;..</p>
<p>If you are in a healthy place, whether in or out of a relationship, you are going to feel completely differently about Valentines day. Firstly, you know that &#8216;real love and affection&#8217;  does not hang on just that one day&#8230;a meal, a rose and a cuddly teddy bear!  It is so much more than that. Secondly, you will see it clearly for the commercial marketing that it has become&#8230;.  and you won&#8217;t even want to buy into it. Like RES said, you will be expecting love and romance in its different forms (maybe no teddy bear! <img src='http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) 365 days a year!</p>
<p>Thirdly, take away sleeping time, it is all of a few hours long! Why chose to mope about someone who didn&#8217;t represent &#8216;love&#8217; anyway? Better to go out/stay in and have a great time with those who actually do care about and love you&#8230;whether it be your kids, family, friends or savouring the delicious moment by yourself&#8230;. hassle free!</p>
<p>Maybe Valentine&#8217;s Day should be reviewed and made into a day when you love and romance yourself! <img src='http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  instead of winding oneself up in expecting it from another. Now wouldn&#8217;t that have a completely different emphasis and feeling on that day&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Change the emphasis and you change &#8216;the feeling&#8217;. That is when you realise&#8230;&#8230; it is actually a choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Used</title>
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		<dc:creator>Used</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NML--
I just was invited to a party by a friend who knows the jerk/EUM I dated.  The jerk will be at that party, which will happen in a few weeks.  Because this is a first, please advise on how I should handle him and his wife, given the below:  

FYI #1:  The friend who invited me is one of the women who projects her own obsession with him onto others (yes, including me), even though he is on record (in photos even!) as the one who is obsessed...with checking me out behind his wife&#039;s back.  Of course, I don&#039;t care; this is all his problem.  (See below.)  

FYI #2:  After all of the disrespect while seeing him, I resolved on NC and made a promise to myself (which I have since kept) to never speak to him, or even acknowledge him, again.  I actually can&#039;t stand the sight of him.  It&#039;s a cross between hate and disgust with the physical feeling of having eaten a bad taco.  (Why is this?)  I learned, over time, that he took back the woman he had previously abandoned AND told her about how intimate he was with me, that she TOLD mutual friends that we were intimate (though it was only &quot;second base&quot;), and that he once bragged about the women he dated (including me).    

I ignore and avoid him.  But what should I do and say if I am forced to acknowledge/speak to him?  I really don&#039;t want to talk to him AT ALL.  He may want to congratulate me on obvious good news that we have:  I am (finally!!) pregnant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NML&#8211;<br />
I just was invited to a party by a friend who knows the jerk/EUM I dated.  The jerk will be at that party, which will happen in a few weeks.  Because this is a first, please advise on how I should handle him and his wife, given the below:  </p>
<p>FYI #1:  The friend who invited me is one of the women who projects her own obsession with him onto others (yes, including me), even though he is on record (in photos even!) as the one who is obsessed&#8230;with checking me out behind his wife&#8217;s back.  Of course, I don&#8217;t care; this is all his problem.  (See below.)  </p>
<p>FYI #2:  After all of the disrespect while seeing him, I resolved on NC and made a promise to myself (which I have since kept) to never speak to him, or even acknowledge him, again.  I actually can&#8217;t stand the sight of him.  It&#8217;s a cross between hate and disgust with the physical feeling of having eaten a bad taco.  (Why is this?)  I learned, over time, that he took back the woman he had previously abandoned AND told her about how intimate he was with me, that she TOLD mutual friends that we were intimate (though it was only &#8220;second base&#8221;), and that he once bragged about the women he dated (including me).    </p>
<p>I ignore and avoid him.  But what should I do and say if I am forced to acknowledge/speak to him?  I really don&#8217;t want to talk to him AT ALL.  He may want to congratulate me on obvious good news that we have:  I am (finally!!) pregnant.</p>
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		<title>By: RES</title>
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		<dc:creator>RES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sound advice. Always &quot;right on the money.&quot; I wish that I had this post 5 years ago, as it would have perhaps, saved me some fip floping heartache over an AC who didn&#039;t deserve me. However, I learned, and am past all of that. I&#039;m in a healthy relationship with real love, care, respect, and trust. And even with a fiance, V day is just a day. I insist on being loved 365 days a year. Be your own Valentine!!! Show love for YOU. You can&#039;t begin to enjoy healthy relationships if you&#039;re not emotionally healthy! Thanks Natalie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sound advice. Always &#8220;right on the money.&#8221; I wish that I had this post 5 years ago, as it would have perhaps, saved me some fip floping heartache over an AC who didn&#8217;t deserve me. However, I learned, and am past all of that. I&#8217;m in a healthy relationship with real love, care, respect, and trust. And even with a fiance, V day is just a day. I insist on being loved 365 days a year. Be your own Valentine!!! Show love for YOU. You can&#8217;t begin to enjoy healthy relationships if you&#8217;re not emotionally healthy! Thanks Natalie!</p>
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		<title>By: Sophia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sophia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going thru this right now, trying to decide whether to give him another chance. He says he will set up and pay for both of us to go to councilling. If he does not do this in the next week or two, I&#039;m not going to give him another chance.  This article has reinforced my need for boundaries and I&#039;m sticking to my guns on this. 
Thanks again Natalie. Your articles come exactly when I need them most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going thru this right now, trying to decide whether to give him another chance. He says he will set up and pay for both of us to go to councilling. If he does not do this in the next week or two, I&#8217;m not going to give him another chance.  This article has reinforced my need for boundaries and I&#8217;m sticking to my guns on this.<br />
Thanks again Natalie. Your articles come exactly when I need them most.</p>
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		<title>By: DazedandConfused</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where was this post 3 months ago!  My ex was quite abusive and when he came back, had me convinced everything had been my fault.  So I was ready to welcome him back with open arms and show him what a changed woman I was.  But then I did mention to him many of the nasty things he&#039;d said to me, and I asked what had motivated that, and what we could do in the future to avoid getting like that... well boy did he lose it on me for bringing that stuff up.  He 1) didn&#039;t recall having ever said it and 2) why did I have to ruin the good time we were having by bringing up the past.

Oh NML... the red flags were there but I sooooo wanted things to work out.  Man I wish this post had been up back then... because I turned a blind eye wanting so badly for him to really mean he wanted to be with me.  I can say this though, it brings me comfort to see you write this as I realize it makes him what he is... and it almost makes me laugh that you called that entirely accurately as if my relationship with this man was so textbook.  It helps me keep moving and teaches me to trust my gut next time.

I will say one thing... I hate that book &quot;He&#039;s just not that in to you&quot; I feel it trivializes some of the issues we face (for example abuse) but one part I do love is where he says &quot;if someone comes back saying they miss you, remember they had to leave you in the first place to be missing you.&quot;  How much value did you have to this person in the first place if he left?

Ladies, I am sure many of you like me have spent hours reading what NML writes, understanding what she is saying, but then saying &quot;but why can&#039;t he just like me...&quot; trust me it has truly taken me a while, of seeing my ex again and again, watching him date other people, and seeing NML quote things he actually said to say &quot;no this person really is who he is and it has nothing to do with him &#039;just not being that in to you&quot;.  It has nothing to do with YOU at all!

Dazed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where was this post 3 months ago!  My ex was quite abusive and when he came back, had me convinced everything had been my fault.  So I was ready to welcome him back with open arms and show him what a changed woman I was.  But then I did mention to him many of the nasty things he&#8217;d said to me, and I asked what had motivated that, and what we could do in the future to avoid getting like that&#8230; well boy did he lose it on me for bringing that stuff up.  He 1) didn&#8217;t recall having ever said it and 2) why did I have to ruin the good time we were having by bringing up the past.</p>
<p>Oh NML&#8230; the red flags were there but I sooooo wanted things to work out.  Man I wish this post had been up back then&#8230; because I turned a blind eye wanting so badly for him to really mean he wanted to be with me.  I can say this though, it brings me comfort to see you write this as I realize it makes him what he is&#8230; and it almost makes me laugh that you called that entirely accurately as if my relationship with this man was so textbook.  It helps me keep moving and teaches me to trust my gut next time.</p>
<p>I will say one thing&#8230; I hate that book &#8220;He&#8217;s just not that in to you&#8221; I feel it trivializes some of the issues we face (for example abuse) but one part I do love is where he says &#8220;if someone comes back saying they miss you, remember they had to leave you in the first place to be missing you.&#8221;  How much value did you have to this person in the first place if he left?</p>
<p>Ladies, I am sure many of you like me have spent hours reading what NML writes, understanding what she is saying, but then saying &#8220;but why can&#8217;t he just like me&#8230;&#8221; trust me it has truly taken me a while, of seeing my ex again and again, watching him date other people, and seeing NML quote things he actually said to say &#8220;no this person really is who he is and it has nothing to do with him &#8216;just not being that in to you&#8221;.  It has nothing to do with YOU at all!</p>
<p>Dazed</p>
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		<title>By: Etta</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give him a 2nd, 3rd or 10th chance?  BINGO!   We had not spoken for 8 months but during that time he kept calling and leaving Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde messages.  I listened to all of them, wrote him a letter about my feelings, he replied and then I felt sorry for him and thought oh, i&#039;ll pick up the phone and see if we can give it another chance (somehow I knew what the outcome  would be because I had read the article Suck It and See).  A hard head makes a soft behind. Sorry for me, my heart and my self esteem. Great for me that this time by the second conversation I knew the outcome would be the same.  I am back to No Contact (finally had the courage to block his phone number) never thought I would do it and if I receive any mail it will kindly be labled &quot;return to sender&quot;. I am in therapy so that I don&#039;t give him another chance.  It&#039;s not worth it and we&#039;ve got to convince ourselves that we&#039;re worth not being treated like we don&#039;t belong or deserve respect, kindness and love in return.  Not an easy thing to do or believe after you&#039;ve given so much of yourself, time, energy, begging and pleading for them to treat you better.  Though disheartening to finally realize that they just don&#039;t care, we&#039;ve got to believe that we deserve better in order to make better choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give him a 2nd, 3rd or 10th chance?  BINGO!   We had not spoken for 8 months but during that time he kept calling and leaving Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde messages.  I listened to all of them, wrote him a letter about my feelings, he replied and then I felt sorry for him and thought oh, i&#8217;ll pick up the phone and see if we can give it another chance (somehow I knew what the outcome  would be because I had read the article Suck It and See).  A hard head makes a soft behind. Sorry for me, my heart and my self esteem. Great for me that this time by the second conversation I knew the outcome would be the same.  I am back to No Contact (finally had the courage to block his phone number) never thought I would do it and if I receive any mail it will kindly be labled &#8220;return to sender&#8221;. I am in therapy so that I don&#8217;t give him another chance.  It&#8217;s not worth it and we&#8217;ve got to convince ourselves that we&#8217;re worth not being treated like we don&#8217;t belong or deserve respect, kindness and love in return.  Not an easy thing to do or believe after you&#8217;ve given so much of yourself, time, energy, begging and pleading for them to treat you better.  Though disheartening to finally realize that they just don&#8217;t care, we&#8217;ve got to believe that we deserve better in order to make better choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Aurora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aurora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i definitely did 1 - 5 throughout my 20&#039;s - 40&#039;s.
Ah, if only self-esteem were genetic !!!
Thanks, NML. I always keep learning here.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i definitely did 1 &#8211; 5 throughout my 20&#8242;s &#8211; 40&#8242;s.<br />
Ah, if only self-esteem were genetic !!!<br />
Thanks, NML. I always keep learning here.<br />
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