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		<title>By: 3 years is long enough</title>
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		<dc:creator>3 years is long enough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eos hit the nail on the head with this one:

&quot;I can’t make him see, or feel, or relinquish his own pain. It’s sad, it’s a fact, and it’s his own torment to bear alone. I’m working on mine. Feel sympathy but don’t get dragged into propping him up. The kindest thing that you can do for your self or for the ex is allowing them to discover (or not) their own ignorance&quot; (I keep thinking, &quot;Can lead the horse to water, but can&#039;t make them drink... My ex would wouldn&#039;t &#039;drink&#039; out of pure stubborness, an unwillingness to admit he actually needed me. There is no fixing a relationship like this, where one person will knowingly, willingly, and consistantly burn it to the ground, time and time again. I watched him destroy our love because he wouldn&#039;t deal with his fears and issues. And I was powerless to stop him, because I can&#039;t control what others do. I genuinely feel sorry for him, sorry for us, sorry for me... So many people in this world want love so badly, and EUMs who are lucky enough to have it, just throw it away like it means nothing, and like he has &#039;so much&#039; love in his life, he can afford to throw it away. So sad.)

and Trinity practically read my mind with:

&quot;I have lost all respect for this man , u see him now for exactly what he is and always was and I think that scares the crap out if him. That the one decent and kind person he had in his life, the one person that stood by him and believed in him now thinks he is a worthless man.&quot; (I actually said the above to my ex, several times, again trying to &#039;convince&#039; him of my worth.... How stupid of me... &quot;How can you turn against and throw away, the one person in your life that truly believes in you, supports you, understands you, is always there for you, and loves you so much, like I mean nothing to you??&quot; How utterly heartbreaking and devastating to be treated like this by the person you love. I truly have lost all respect for him now, seeing what he is capable of) 

Ugh. It makes me sick to my stomach to think of how I gave everything I had to him, was there for him, and put up with so much awful treatment from him. I can see now how I never deserved any of that, and that he also never deserved ME. 

Thank you to NML for showing us the light, and for all the survivors out there for posting and sharing their (oh-so-similar) stories. Coming here gives me strength to not contact, not go back, and learn to take care of me... As it should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eos hit the nail on the head with this one:</p>
<p>&#8220;I can’t make him see, or feel, or relinquish his own pain. It’s sad, it’s a fact, and it’s his own torment to bear alone. I’m working on mine. Feel sympathy but don’t get dragged into propping him up. The kindest thing that you can do for your self or for the ex is allowing them to discover (or not) their own ignorance&#8221; (I keep thinking, &#8220;Can lead the horse to water, but can&#8217;t make them drink&#8230; My ex would wouldn&#8217;t &#8216;drink&#8217; out of pure stubborness, an unwillingness to admit he actually needed me. There is no fixing a relationship like this, where one person will knowingly, willingly, and consistantly burn it to the ground, time and time again. I watched him destroy our love because he wouldn&#8217;t deal with his fears and issues. And I was powerless to stop him, because I can&#8217;t control what others do. I genuinely feel sorry for him, sorry for us, sorry for me&#8230; So many people in this world want love so badly, and EUMs who are lucky enough to have it, just throw it away like it means nothing, and like he has &#8216;so much&#8217; love in his life, he can afford to throw it away. So sad.)</p>
<p>and Trinity practically read my mind with:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have lost all respect for this man , u see him now for exactly what he is and always was and I think that scares the crap out if him. That the one decent and kind person he had in his life, the one person that stood by him and believed in him now thinks he is a worthless man.&#8221; (I actually said the above to my ex, several times, again trying to &#8216;convince&#8217; him of my worth&#8230;. How stupid of me&#8230; &#8220;How can you turn against and throw away, the one person in your life that truly believes in you, supports you, understands you, is always there for you, and loves you so much, like I mean nothing to you??&#8221; How utterly heartbreaking and devastating to be treated like this by the person you love. I truly have lost all respect for him now, seeing what he is capable of) </p>
<p>Ugh. It makes me sick to my stomach to think of how I gave everything I had to him, was there for him, and put up with so much awful treatment from him. I can see now how I never deserved any of that, and that he also never deserved ME. </p>
<p>Thank you to NML for showing us the light, and for all the survivors out there for posting and sharing their (oh-so-similar) stories. Coming here gives me strength to not contact, not go back, and learn to take care of me&#8230; As it should be.</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Used:
Not sure. He has a 10 year old son already and when his son moved in with us fulltime early last year, he saw it as an inconvenience. This pregnancy is another inconvenience. I got pregnant with him when we first started dating just like this other woman did but I decided that it was in my best interest not to have it. And I&#039;m happy I didn&#039;t. I believe this other woman clearly has her own self esteem issues, got sucked in by his charm but at the same time knew what she was getting into with him b.c she knew he was cheating. And I think she thought the only way to get a commitment from him was to keep the baby. I&#039;m not saying this pregnancy was planned by her or whatever (what do I know really) but I&#039;m saying that once she found out she was, she decided to lock it down/make it official by keeping it and then having to get married. 
Everyone who knows me/him/her and the situation said the same thing pretty much: he&#039;s with her b/c of money (she&#039;s a lawyer) and status. That&#039;s the kind of guy he is. If he knows someone will make him look good or if he can live a comfortable lifestyle PROVIDED by someone else, he will. Which is quite pathetic. 
No worries! I have no worries of being unofficial with him or anything at all with him. I wont allow him to demote me like that and having me then being considered the other woman to the other woman.</description>
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Not sure. He has a 10 year old son already and when his son moved in with us fulltime early last year, he saw it as an inconvenience. This pregnancy is another inconvenience. I got pregnant with him when we first started dating just like this other woman did but I decided that it was in my best interest not to have it. And I&#8217;m happy I didn&#8217;t. I believe this other woman clearly has her own self esteem issues, got sucked in by his charm but at the same time knew what she was getting into with him b.c she knew he was cheating. And I think she thought the only way to get a commitment from him was to keep the baby. I&#8217;m not saying this pregnancy was planned by her or whatever (what do I know really) but I&#8217;m saying that once she found out she was, she decided to lock it down/make it official by keeping it and then having to get married.<br />
Everyone who knows me/him/her and the situation said the same thing pretty much: he&#8217;s with her b/c of money (she&#8217;s a lawyer) and status. That&#8217;s the kind of guy he is. If he knows someone will make him look good or if he can live a comfortable lifestyle PROVIDED by someone else, he will. Which is quite pathetic.<br />
No worries! I have no worries of being unofficial with him or anything at all with him. I wont allow him to demote me like that and having me then being considered the other woman to the other woman.</p>
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		<title>By: Used</title>
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		<dc:creator>Used</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T--
Maybe he WANTED to get her pregnant, too.  Highly likely, given the pregnancy occurring so soon!  He wanted to be married to the idea of having or being with her, and so got her pregnant to tie her to him; and later did the deed (got married), making it all official.

Don&#039;t you go be un-official with him now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T&#8211;<br />
Maybe he WANTED to get her pregnant, too.  Highly likely, given the pregnancy occurring so soon!  He wanted to be married to the idea of having or being with her, and so got her pregnant to tie her to him; and later did the deed (got married), making it all official.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you go be un-official with him now!</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 15:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel a little better after reading this article. My ex-AC broke up with me 2 and a half months ago and after the breakup/date I moved out of the house, I find out from someone at work he had been cheating on me and was involved with her fulltime, hence, him leaving me (and this was after me asking him repeatedly if anyone else was involved). Not only that but I also found out later he got the girl pregnant and they are getting married end of next month. Imagine that. All the damage he caused. 
He started about 2 weeks ago texting me on the regular after weeks of NC. I only broke NC when I first heard the news as he tried hard for me not to find out all he&#039;d done. 
I know what he&#039;s up to and I know he&#039;s just thinking of himself when contacting me. He knows he&#039;s f**ked up, he knows this girl trapped him by getting pregnant almost immediately after they began seeing each other and he&#039;s &quot;missing his old life&quot; and thinks he can play nice now and smooth things out with me.
I knew and know him initiating contact is all about him and what he wants/needs but its good to read about it to have that confirmed. What an idiot. He dug his own grave, he can lie in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel a little better after reading this article. My ex-AC broke up with me 2 and a half months ago and after the breakup/date I moved out of the house, I find out from someone at work he had been cheating on me and was involved with her fulltime, hence, him leaving me (and this was after me asking him repeatedly if anyone else was involved). Not only that but I also found out later he got the girl pregnant and they are getting married end of next month. Imagine that. All the damage he caused.<br />
He started about 2 weeks ago texting me on the regular after weeks of NC. I only broke NC when I first heard the news as he tried hard for me not to find out all he&#8217;d done.<br />
I know what he&#8217;s up to and I know he&#8217;s just thinking of himself when contacting me. He knows he&#8217;s f**ked up, he knows this girl trapped him by getting pregnant almost immediately after they began seeing each other and he&#8217;s &#8220;missing his old life&#8221; and thinks he can play nice now and smooth things out with me.<br />
I knew and know him initiating contact is all about him and what he wants/needs but its good to read about it to have that confirmed. What an idiot. He dug his own grave, he can lie in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sugarbaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sugarbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 00:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi JJ,

Unfortunately, I have learned that the hard way again!  I am a smart woman but have not been the most smartest with the ex.  I do not intend to and will not contact this person if they contact me even to say no to him and wish that I would have done that in the first place.  Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi JJ,</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I have learned that the hard way again!  I am a smart woman but have not been the most smartest with the ex.  I do not intend to and will not contact this person if they contact me even to say no to him and wish that I would have done that in the first place.  Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience!</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 01:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ SugarBaker

Six years is too long to just be in a relationship especially if we are not moving forward to marriage. We have got to stop letting these ass clowns come into our lives. They are only getting free refills without dealing with any of their own issues and constantly keep treating us the same. When you close that door you need to leave it close. I have an ex of mine that I dated over 5 years ago who has recently tried to contact me. I have not answered any of his calls and don&#039;t intend to ever! Why because an ex is an ex for a reason and this is not the ex that I just broke it off with almost 2 months ago. He&#039;s probably waiting for the chance to pop back up as well but he won&#039;t have any access bacback into my life. You have to mean NC when you enforce it. Reconnecting months later doesn&#039;t mean that anything has changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ SugarBaker</p>
<p>Six years is too long to just be in a relationship especially if we are not moving forward to marriage. We have got to stop letting these ass clowns come into our lives. They are only getting free refills without dealing with any of their own issues and constantly keep treating us the same. When you close that door you need to leave it close. I have an ex of mine that I dated over 5 years ago who has recently tried to contact me. I have not answered any of his calls and don&#8217;t intend to ever! Why because an ex is an ex for a reason and this is not the ex that I just broke it off with almost 2 months ago. He&#8217;s probably waiting for the chance to pop back up as well but he won&#8217;t have any access bacback into my life. You have to mean NC when you enforce it. Reconnecting months later doesn&#8217;t mean that anything has changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Sugarbaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sugarbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 19:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sheerah, I have read your posts and Trinity&#039;s along with all of the other comments on this board and have submitted a long comment of my experience that may help you to know that you are not alone.  Like Trinity said, do not reply no matter how hard it is especially since it hasn&#039;t been that long for you, at least it wasn&#039;t at the time you submitted your post.  I hope you are holding up okay.  I am so happy to have found this article today about the no contact rule and wish I would have adhered to that rule a very long time ago!  If you make back to this board I would love to know if you were able to avoid replying.  If you didn&#039;t, don&#039;t be embarrassed, these men have a way of getting the best of us and there is always opportunities in these types of situations to get it right for the final time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sheerah, I have read your posts and Trinity&#8217;s along with all of the other comments on this board and have submitted a long comment of my experience that may help you to know that you are not alone.  Like Trinity said, do not reply no matter how hard it is especially since it hasn&#8217;t been that long for you, at least it wasn&#8217;t at the time you submitted your post.  I hope you are holding up okay.  I am so happy to have found this article today about the no contact rule and wish I would have adhered to that rule a very long time ago!  If you make back to this board I would love to know if you were able to avoid replying.  If you didn&#8217;t, don&#8217;t be embarrassed, these men have a way of getting the best of us and there is always opportunities in these types of situations to get it right for the final time.</p>
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		<title>By: Sugarbaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sugarbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 19:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  Reading this article and the comments on this board has left me feeling relieved while at the same time I feel like crying for myself and over those who have had the same experiences as I have.  As briefly as possible I would like to describe my experience with an ex for the past eight years.  For the first six years we would break up and get back together over and over again and each breakup always seemed to be more painful and bitter as time went on.  I finally got to the point where I had enough of being cheated on and being the fall back girlfriend whenever he would get bored with a woman or end a relationship with them.  During this whole time, I dated very little between the breakups and had a short-term relationship that ended badly and I always found myself wanting to go back to this guy and blamed myself for many of the problems that existed in our relationship.  

To add insult to the injury, my self-esteem went into the toilet and I started to drink to relieve the constant pain and loneliness I felt and have now become dependant upon alcohol to keep the pain I feel internally at bay.  For nearly three years I managed to stay away from this guy despite his several attempts (long periods in between) of contacting me via email wanting to get back together again which would leave me feeling conflicted and confused.  I would respond to him telling him no and then feel like crap for doing so always wondering if things would be different between us because of the time spent apart and thinking that maybe both of us had grown up.  Earlier this year I gave in to the temptation believing that I must have unfinished business with him.  He seemed like a changed sincere man that was so happy to hear from me and I was willing to take that chance again.  He charmed me right away and despite a few things, I was back into the game with him only to have that door slammed in my face again two days before my birthday back in April.  

Before that happened he told me that he was looking for a long-term relationship with me and more happy than he had been in along time because were together again but it didn’t take long before he fell back into the same patterns again.  I began to see that I was settling and that he somehow was managing to manipulate me into accepting less than what I deserved from a man when in a serious relationship.  Everything was on his terms and I saw clearly the controlling and manipulative behaviors that I hadn’t clearly recognized before.  I should consider myself lucky that he dumped me out of the blue during a heated argument that escalated beyond what it should have been on his part as a result of him making plans with someone else on the evening of my birthday and not wanting to do anything to make it up to me.  

Yes, I cried the day after and am still hurt and have been trying to get through this again.  However, I am resolved to never letting him do this to me again.  My self-esteem has taken another blow over this and I hate that my thoughts are consumed with getting over him while still trying to function and deal with my day-to-day responsibilities without letting on to the enormous hurt I feel.  

One of the things that I have been bothered with is whether or not he will contact me again and how I will handle that.  I now know that the only way to handle him is to not respond to him at all not even to say never again.  I doubt that will be the end of it but at least I now understand exactly what I need to do to avoid ever falling back into this repeated pattern again.  I also hope that I can break the pattern of forming relationships with men that are not emotionally capable of being in a relationship and spot the warning signs before I get hooked into another situation that is hard to get away from.  I wish it was as easy as it is when dealing with salespeople or hearing fantastic deals that sound too good to be true and wonder why it is so easy to see through people like that than it is to see through men that are not good boyfriend material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  Reading this article and the comments on this board has left me feeling relieved while at the same time I feel like crying for myself and over those who have had the same experiences as I have.  As briefly as possible I would like to describe my experience with an ex for the past eight years.  For the first six years we would break up and get back together over and over again and each breakup always seemed to be more painful and bitter as time went on.  I finally got to the point where I had enough of being cheated on and being the fall back girlfriend whenever he would get bored with a woman or end a relationship with them.  During this whole time, I dated very little between the breakups and had a short-term relationship that ended badly and I always found myself wanting to go back to this guy and blamed myself for many of the problems that existed in our relationship.  </p>
<p>To add insult to the injury, my self-esteem went into the toilet and I started to drink to relieve the constant pain and loneliness I felt and have now become dependant upon alcohol to keep the pain I feel internally at bay.  For nearly three years I managed to stay away from this guy despite his several attempts (long periods in between) of contacting me via email wanting to get back together again which would leave me feeling conflicted and confused.  I would respond to him telling him no and then feel like crap for doing so always wondering if things would be different between us because of the time spent apart and thinking that maybe both of us had grown up.  Earlier this year I gave in to the temptation believing that I must have unfinished business with him.  He seemed like a changed sincere man that was so happy to hear from me and I was willing to take that chance again.  He charmed me right away and despite a few things, I was back into the game with him only to have that door slammed in my face again two days before my birthday back in April.  </p>
<p>Before that happened he told me that he was looking for a long-term relationship with me and more happy than he had been in along time because were together again but it didn’t take long before he fell back into the same patterns again.  I began to see that I was settling and that he somehow was managing to manipulate me into accepting less than what I deserved from a man when in a serious relationship.  Everything was on his terms and I saw clearly the controlling and manipulative behaviors that I hadn’t clearly recognized before.  I should consider myself lucky that he dumped me out of the blue during a heated argument that escalated beyond what it should have been on his part as a result of him making plans with someone else on the evening of my birthday and not wanting to do anything to make it up to me.  </p>
<p>Yes, I cried the day after and am still hurt and have been trying to get through this again.  However, I am resolved to never letting him do this to me again.  My self-esteem has taken another blow over this and I hate that my thoughts are consumed with getting over him while still trying to function and deal with my day-to-day responsibilities without letting on to the enormous hurt I feel.  </p>
<p>One of the things that I have been bothered with is whether or not he will contact me again and how I will handle that.  I now know that the only way to handle him is to not respond to him at all not even to say never again.  I doubt that will be the end of it but at least I now understand exactly what I need to do to avoid ever falling back into this repeated pattern again.  I also hope that I can break the pattern of forming relationships with men that are not emotionally capable of being in a relationship and spot the warning signs before I get hooked into another situation that is hard to get away from.  I wish it was as easy as it is when dealing with salespeople or hearing fantastic deals that sound too good to be true and wonder why it is so easy to see through people like that than it is to see through men that are not good boyfriend material.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there. Thanks for this. This completely describes the relationship that I have just ended only it&#039;s the other wayvaround. She&#039;s been doing the on off thing with me and it was completely doing my head in. I wondered how could she be so in love with me one minute and so cold and heartless the next. It was sooo draining and tough and I barely kept my sanity together through it all. This has helped me to realise that it wasn&#039;t me she was responding to it was her own fears of inadequacy and rejection. While it hurts to know that I wasn&#039;t truly loved it helps me to be able to move on.
Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there. Thanks for this. This completely describes the relationship that I have just ended only it&#8217;s the other wayvaround. She&#8217;s been doing the on off thing with me and it was completely doing my head in. I wondered how could she be so in love with me one minute and so cold and heartless the next. It was sooo draining and tough and I barely kept my sanity together through it all. This has helped me to realise that it wasn&#8217;t me she was responding to it was her own fears of inadequacy and rejection. While it hurts to know that I wasn&#8217;t truly loved it helps me to be able to move on.<br />
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		<title>By: Tombochan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tombochan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope you didn&#039;t send him this post. He won&#039;t get it. He&#039;ll just try to use this information to convince you he&#039;s not like this. That he&#039;s different. That you&#039;re relationship is unique. No it isn&#039;t. Hope you stay strong - I&#039;m finding this the hardest thing I&#039;ve done in my life but bit by bit I realise what is really going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope you didn&#8217;t send him this post. He won&#8217;t get it. He&#8217;ll just try to use this information to convince you he&#8217;s not like this. That he&#8217;s different. That you&#8217;re relationship is unique. No it isn&#8217;t. Hope you stay strong &#8211; I&#8217;m finding this the hardest thing I&#8217;ve done in my life but bit by bit I realise what is really going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Trinity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trinity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sheerah. Hey :) please don&#039;t reply!!! Everyone women here on this blog understands all to well what you have been through and what your going to go through. I&#039;d suggest reaching out to friends, reading all Nats stuff on the no contact rule, blowing hot and cold, drip feeding information and when someone fakes a future. Her e book on the no contact rule is really helpfull also. Stay strong, reach out to friends and take care of you. But please do not contact him. This is you taking back some power (he won&#039;t like it so expect more contact and tantys) this is your first step at feeling empowered, confident and better about you. Honest :) take care :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sheerah. Hey <img src='http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  please don&#8217;t reply!!! Everyone women here on this blog understands all to well what you have been through and what your going to go through. I&#8217;d suggest reaching out to friends, reading all Nats stuff on the no contact rule, blowing hot and cold, drip feeding information and when someone fakes a future. Her e book on the no contact rule is really helpfull also. Stay strong, reach out to friends and take care of you. But please do not contact him. This is you taking back some power (he won&#8217;t like it so expect more contact and tantys) this is your first step at feeling empowered, confident and better about you. Honest <img src='http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  take care <img src='http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sheerah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheerah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well he just wrote me.. what a surprise. it has been barely 2 days.  we have worked on many projects together and i noticed him floating around, he was witness to many changes.  now he&#039;s writing me about it and complimenting me on it, not only to contact me but to reassure me that he&#039;s not upset about the change, and/or that he likes it.  
the worst part is he simply cannot respect any of my wishes.  i asked him to leave me alone, that meant in every count.. every way.  and he always is sure to try to weasel back in so he can try to manipulate and control again.  so exhausting.  i didn&#039;t reply and won&#039;t.  as he said.. &quot;what do you want? i have nothing to say...&quot;..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well he just wrote me.. what a surprise. it has been barely 2 days.  we have worked on many projects together and i noticed him floating around, he was witness to many changes.  now he&#8217;s writing me about it and complimenting me on it, not only to contact me but to reassure me that he&#8217;s not upset about the change, and/or that he likes it.<br />
the worst part is he simply cannot respect any of my wishes.  i asked him to leave me alone, that meant in every count.. every way.  and he always is sure to try to weasel back in so he can try to manipulate and control again.  so exhausting.  i didn&#8217;t reply and won&#8217;t.  as he said.. &#8220;what do you want? i have nothing to say&#8230;&#8221;..</p>
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		<title>By: Sheerah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheerah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, he was surprised by my asking for a break.. he said &quot;what??&quot; in a confused way.. and i can&#039;t believe it.  he&#039;s been dragging me for weeks now, and i&#039;ve been asking him to please.. let&#039;s work this out.  life is too short.  we love each other.  so then, why is he surprised? did he think i&#039;d idle by like some little puppy waiting on his beck and call??? seriously?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, he was surprised by my asking for a break.. he said &#8220;what??&#8221; in a confused way.. and i can&#8217;t believe it.  he&#8217;s been dragging me for weeks now, and i&#8217;ve been asking him to please.. let&#8217;s work this out.  life is too short.  we love each other.  so then, why is he surprised? did he think i&#8217;d idle by like some little puppy waiting on his beck and call??? seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: Sheerah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheerah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your blogs, but also for the comments.
I&#039;m going on day 2 of NC.  I have to say it&#039;s been much easier than the past; as I&#039;ve been unsuccessful before.  My X never let me go; it was always about him.  He wants to give me scraps and crumbs but expects me to wait until he &quot;comes around&quot;.  He needs time he says.. he always does this.  He&#039;s done and said horrible things to me, and I&#039;ve always forgiven him.  And then when I react, and defend myself, he takes those words, twists them, and uses them against me, and making those words bigger (mountains out of molehills).  I&#039;m astounded, frankly.  But that only tells me he&#039;s making excuses to divide himself from me.  A person that wants to be with you will do everything to bring you closer, not make problems bigger and escalate.  It&#039;s like I&#039;m constantly washing my hair, wash, rinse, repeat... wash, rinse, repeat.. yet somehow I always end up feeling dirty.. in the end.  This guy is a piece of work.  He always drew me in telling me everything I wanted to hear (we&#039;re LDR) and gave me hope.  But when I returned home or he did, it was clockwork, a couple weeks go by and boingo, he&#039;s back to being apathetic and an assclown.
I don&#039;t know where my strength is coming from.  Maybe I&#039;m just exhausted and drained and am finally finding myself again.  Years ago I never would allow any of this behavior.  I was never this girl.  But after a difficult divorce, with children and many responsibilities I&#039;ve become an easy target for people that prey on the ones that lost their self-esteem.  I feel robbed and violated.  I feel betrayed and disgusted.  I finally trusted someone again, and it was taken away once more.  I&#039;m losing hope in &quot;man&quot;kind.  And I don&#039;t want to carry these issues to any future relationships.  I know now I need to divide myself from men in general to find me again.  So I can be happy, and carry that happiness to the next person, instead of old bitterness and reflecting on pasts and comparing.  I won&#039;t lie though, I&#039;ll always be guarded, no matter how much time passes.  It&#039;s difficult for me to trust anyone already, and this really sunk me.
My current X wanted time and kept calling me a great friend.  He said that we should just be this again, but, I just feel we&#039;re always taking one step forward and 3 steps back.  I never feel much progression.  I did for a short period of time the last couple of months when I visited, but I was secretly preparing what may be the inevitable, and I&#039;m disappointed again to be correct.  He said that he just needed more time and space.  But as I said, he repeatedly does this and I find that it&#039;s just some lame excuse to give himself the freedom he wants between visits and so on.  He would only create a scenario of love, comfort and security when another visit (by him or me) is upcoming.  But I feel it&#039;s only escalated to some fairytale.. that I&#039;ve been living an illusion with him for so long I failed to wake up.  
I woke up this week.  I called him and he seemed rather happy (but strangely so, almost too playful), with is &quot;Hello&quot;.. and I was rather slow with my words saying &quot;I called to ask for a break.  I can&#039;t do this anymore.&quot; I made it clear that I&#039;m tired of getting scraps, that I will repeat that it&#039;s black and white, no grays.  You either stand by me 100% or leave me 100%.  I can&#039;t do this rollercoaster, I&#039;m physically ill from it, and it&#039;s affected me in such a way I cannot cope in my own life.  I need to focus on more important things: i.e. my kids, myself, etc.
He only muttered &quot;uh huhs&quot;.. and it frustrated me more.  He said NOTHING reassuring or loving after over 2.5 years together as a couple (friends for 4 years+).. when I asked him what he thought, he only said &quot;What do you want from me?  I have nothing to say.&quot;.. I was hurt again.  I allowed that simply by asking.  Certainly if he wanted to say something he would have.  I told him when he wants this over (as he threatened), then so be it, and stop writing me and asking me &quot;How are you?&quot;.. What do you think I am?? Stupid ass question.
I also told him if he&#039;s not willing to be there for me, then he must MUST leave me alone completely so I can heal, and get better.  I&#039;ve tried this in the past and he NEVER respected my wishes.  He ALWAYS controlled if we were to separate or be together.  If I wanted to end it he would laugh.  If I wanted to get back together he said no.  Or wait.  I never had say in anything about us.  I told him that also.
At the end of the phone call I said &quot;don&#039;t you have one nice thing to say to me?&quot;  He said &quot;no what do you want me to say?&quot;.. That choked me up, and I got so upset and I didn&#039;t want him to hear me cry even though it was in my voice;
I said &quot;That&#039;s really lovely.  2.5.. last week you told me I was your one and only love, now I&#039;m just shit again..&quot; and it&#039;s true.  Hot and cold for 1.5 years he&#039;s played this game.  I hung up on him repeated &quot;Now you can leave me alone for good&quot;.  And he has.. but it hasn&#039;t been long.  And I don&#039;t know when (I know he will because he&#039;s that controlling) he&#039;ll try to make contact with me.  I know eventually he&#039;ll be lonely and bored and seek me out.
So far I&#039;m OK which is a big deal for me.  But I don&#039;t know how strong I will be when he tries.  I hope I don&#039;t fall into his game again.  
Sorry for the long letter but I don&#039;t have anyone to talk to.  And I&#039;ve become very unhealthy over this.  That&#039;s changed this week.  It&#039;s time for me now.
Thanks for listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your blogs, but also for the comments.<br />
I&#8217;m going on day 2 of NC.  I have to say it&#8217;s been much easier than the past; as I&#8217;ve been unsuccessful before.  My X never let me go; it was always about him.  He wants to give me scraps and crumbs but expects me to wait until he &#8220;comes around&#8221;.  He needs time he says.. he always does this.  He&#8217;s done and said horrible things to me, and I&#8217;ve always forgiven him.  And then when I react, and defend myself, he takes those words, twists them, and uses them against me, and making those words bigger (mountains out of molehills).  I&#8217;m astounded, frankly.  But that only tells me he&#8217;s making excuses to divide himself from me.  A person that wants to be with you will do everything to bring you closer, not make problems bigger and escalate.  It&#8217;s like I&#8217;m constantly washing my hair, wash, rinse, repeat&#8230; wash, rinse, repeat.. yet somehow I always end up feeling dirty.. in the end.  This guy is a piece of work.  He always drew me in telling me everything I wanted to hear (we&#8217;re LDR) and gave me hope.  But when I returned home or he did, it was clockwork, a couple weeks go by and boingo, he&#8217;s back to being apathetic and an assclown.<br />
I don&#8217;t know where my strength is coming from.  Maybe I&#8217;m just exhausted and drained and am finally finding myself again.  Years ago I never would allow any of this behavior.  I was never this girl.  But after a difficult divorce, with children and many responsibilities I&#8217;ve become an easy target for people that prey on the ones that lost their self-esteem.  I feel robbed and violated.  I feel betrayed and disgusted.  I finally trusted someone again, and it was taken away once more.  I&#8217;m losing hope in &#8220;man&#8221;kind.  And I don&#8217;t want to carry these issues to any future relationships.  I know now I need to divide myself from men in general to find me again.  So I can be happy, and carry that happiness to the next person, instead of old bitterness and reflecting on pasts and comparing.  I won&#8217;t lie though, I&#8217;ll always be guarded, no matter how much time passes.  It&#8217;s difficult for me to trust anyone already, and this really sunk me.<br />
My current X wanted time and kept calling me a great friend.  He said that we should just be this again, but, I just feel we&#8217;re always taking one step forward and 3 steps back.  I never feel much progression.  I did for a short period of time the last couple of months when I visited, but I was secretly preparing what may be the inevitable, and I&#8217;m disappointed again to be correct.  He said that he just needed more time and space.  But as I said, he repeatedly does this and I find that it&#8217;s just some lame excuse to give himself the freedom he wants between visits and so on.  He would only create a scenario of love, comfort and security when another visit (by him or me) is upcoming.  But I feel it&#8217;s only escalated to some fairytale.. that I&#8217;ve been living an illusion with him for so long I failed to wake up.<br />
I woke up this week.  I called him and he seemed rather happy (but strangely so, almost too playful), with is &#8220;Hello&#8221;.. and I was rather slow with my words saying &#8220;I called to ask for a break.  I can&#8217;t do this anymore.&#8221; I made it clear that I&#8217;m tired of getting scraps, that I will repeat that it&#8217;s black and white, no grays.  You either stand by me 100% or leave me 100%.  I can&#8217;t do this rollercoaster, I&#8217;m physically ill from it, and it&#8217;s affected me in such a way I cannot cope in my own life.  I need to focus on more important things: i.e. my kids, myself, etc.<br />
He only muttered &#8220;uh huhs&#8221;.. and it frustrated me more.  He said NOTHING reassuring or loving after over 2.5 years together as a couple (friends for 4 years+).. when I asked him what he thought, he only said &#8220;What do you want from me?  I have nothing to say.&#8221;.. I was hurt again.  I allowed that simply by asking.  Certainly if he wanted to say something he would have.  I told him when he wants this over (as he threatened), then so be it, and stop writing me and asking me &#8220;How are you?&#8221;.. What do you think I am?? Stupid ass question.<br />
I also told him if he&#8217;s not willing to be there for me, then he must MUST leave me alone completely so I can heal, and get better.  I&#8217;ve tried this in the past and he NEVER respected my wishes.  He ALWAYS controlled if we were to separate or be together.  If I wanted to end it he would laugh.  If I wanted to get back together he said no.  Or wait.  I never had say in anything about us.  I told him that also.<br />
At the end of the phone call I said &#8220;don&#8217;t you have one nice thing to say to me?&#8221;  He said &#8220;no what do you want me to say?&#8221;.. That choked me up, and I got so upset and I didn&#8217;t want him to hear me cry even though it was in my voice;<br />
I said &#8220;That&#8217;s really lovely.  2.5.. last week you told me I was your one and only love, now I&#8217;m just shit again..&#8221; and it&#8217;s true.  Hot and cold for 1.5 years he&#8217;s played this game.  I hung up on him repeated &#8220;Now you can leave me alone for good&#8221;.  And he has.. but it hasn&#8217;t been long.  And I don&#8217;t know when (I know he will because he&#8217;s that controlling) he&#8217;ll try to make contact with me.  I know eventually he&#8217;ll be lonely and bored and seek me out.<br />
So far I&#8217;m OK which is a big deal for me.  But I don&#8217;t know how strong I will be when he tries.  I hope I don&#8217;t fall into his game again.<br />
Sorry for the long letter but I don&#8217;t have anyone to talk to.  And I&#8217;ve become very unhealthy over this.  That&#8217;s changed this week.  It&#8217;s time for me now.<br />
Thanks for listening.</p>
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		<title>By: trinity</title>
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		<dc:creator>trinity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Tammy and all other wonderful ladies. Thanks to Nat ive started to realise that anytime i couldnt make a decision, felt confused, overwhelmed, didnt trust that person, didnt know what to do, felt worried, thought i was going crazy, felt hurt or upset was because he was all wrong for me and doing wrong by me. It was my beautiful womens intuiation, gut instinct, subconscience screaming at me or what ever you want to call it kicking in, trying to protect me. If you feel worried or confused, step back and take your time, whats the rush. These men always try to rush us and again maybe its because 1. they&#039;re acting on their own anxiety, fears, keen jerking to emotions instead of sorting them out for himself he drags you into the drama and 2. they want you confused, because while your all confused you make poor choices and you dont get time to see the real person he is. I think that scares the crap out of these guys &quot;what if she finally realises im a complete loser&quot; I dont think they can bare to know that someone who was once idilosing them now sees them for exactly what they are.After all most AC or EUM are controlling, so all that effort of trying to control us gets thrown out the window, must drive them nuts and im glad it does ! Take your time girls, dont make a decision until you can do so clearly, dont be bullied or rushed into things. With time to yourself to actually think instead of being confused and rushed by the X, you might find that your better off without him. Have a great day girls :) XXXX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Tammy and all other wonderful ladies. Thanks to Nat ive started to realise that anytime i couldnt make a decision, felt confused, overwhelmed, didnt trust that person, didnt know what to do, felt worried, thought i was going crazy, felt hurt or upset was because he was all wrong for me and doing wrong by me. It was my beautiful womens intuiation, gut instinct, subconscience screaming at me or what ever you want to call it kicking in, trying to protect me. If you feel worried or confused, step back and take your time, whats the rush. These men always try to rush us and again maybe its because 1. they&#8217;re acting on their own anxiety, fears, keen jerking to emotions instead of sorting them out for himself he drags you into the drama and 2. they want you confused, because while your all confused you make poor choices and you dont get time to see the real person he is. I think that scares the crap out of these guys &#8220;what if she finally realises im a complete loser&#8221; I dont think they can bare to know that someone who was once idilosing them now sees them for exactly what they are.After all most AC or EUM are controlling, so all that effort of trying to control us gets thrown out the window, must drive them nuts and im glad it does ! Take your time girls, dont make a decision until you can do so clearly, dont be bullied or rushed into things. With time to yourself to actually think instead of being confused and rushed by the X, you might find that your better off without him. Have a great day girls <img src='http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  XXXX</p>
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