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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was with my EUM for almost  years. He was so loving and generous when we were together, amazing sex life, wined me and dined me and was a total gentleman when with me. however, the relationship was stalled for almost 2 years where it was in the first 3-4 months.

In the fifth month of dating I caught him online-found his profile picking up other chicks and confronted him. I took the profile printout to his house the day he invited me over for a bbq. He in the beginning denied and I left him there and said, &quot;call me when you are honest.&quot; So, he did a day later and said he only wants me and that he &quot;was not sure if I was still playing the field because we never had the &quot;exclusivity talk.&quot;
I fell for that BS.  His behavior was still shady-going out some weekends without me, working late, etc. His job is sooo demanding that I believed it and he knew he cold use it as an excuse. 

I finally after almost 2 years told him to &quot;shit or get off the pot&quot; and he said he needed time and that a break was in order. Two days later I pass by his house-2blocks away-and find a skanky chick in disgusting clothes on his floor- no class at all. And this is a professional man in health care. I was always classy, dressed like  a million bucks, and respectful. He went from class to trash in a second. She got up and left when she realized who I was and he didn&#039;t even stop her-he just lay on the couch like  a pig.


He has txted a few times but I am starting to ignore. I do have a feeling that this sick EUM will try to come back in some cowardly way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was with my EUM for almost  years. He was so loving and generous when we were together, amazing sex life, wined me and dined me and was a total gentleman when with me. however, the relationship was stalled for almost 2 years where it was in the first 3-4 months.</p>
<p>In the fifth month of dating I caught him online-found his profile picking up other chicks and confronted him. I took the profile printout to his house the day he invited me over for a bbq. He in the beginning denied and I left him there and said, &#8220;call me when you are honest.&#8221; So, he did a day later and said he only wants me and that he &#8220;was not sure if I was still playing the field because we never had the &#8220;exclusivity talk.&#8221;<br />
I fell for that BS.  His behavior was still shady-going out some weekends without me, working late, etc. His job is sooo demanding that I believed it and he knew he cold use it as an excuse. </p>
<p>I finally after almost 2 years told him to &#8220;shit or get off the pot&#8221; and he said he needed time and that a break was in order. Two days later I pass by his house-2blocks away-and find a skanky chick in disgusting clothes on his floor- no class at all. And this is a professional man in health care. I was always classy, dressed like  a million bucks, and respectful. He went from class to trash in a second. She got up and left when she realized who I was and he didn&#8217;t even stop her-he just lay on the couch like  a pig.</p>
<p>He has txted a few times but I am starting to ignore. I do have a feeling that this sick EUM will try to come back in some cowardly way.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 09:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>am so glad I came across this site completely by accident &amp; just at the right time!!! I met someone in may 2006, for the next 2 years we were together on and off, at one point he disappeared on me for 5 months after alternating between ignoring and insulting me for 3 weeks, but mailed me to say sorry and we were back together again but the very reasons we had issues 1st time around soon re appeared again. the last 4 months of the &quot;relationship&quot; he was an absolute pig yet I still hung on ever hopeful he was just having a bad time and would &quot;come round&quot;. he never did and I broke off altogether april last year after he called me names via text that cant even be printed here!! I&#039;ve spent the last year questioning and analysing it all, finding excuses etc and just when I thought it was safe to go back on the pc I received an email and text from him 2 weeks ago, misses me and the kids, can we have coffee etc. I&#039;ve declined the coffee but was happy to exchange the odd text but guess what, he&#039;s disappeared again, I know part of this is me trying to be best friends with everyone, no way did I want to get back with him again, no wish to be in his company which speaks volumes but at least this time I didnt get my fingers too badly burnt, bit of wounded pride is all. love your web site, I&#039;ll be back to read more!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>am so glad I came across this site completely by accident &amp; just at the right time!!! I met someone in may 2006, for the next 2 years we were together on and off, at one point he disappeared on me for 5 months after alternating between ignoring and insulting me for 3 weeks, but mailed me to say sorry and we were back together again but the very reasons we had issues 1st time around soon re appeared again. the last 4 months of the &#8220;relationship&#8221; he was an absolute pig yet I still hung on ever hopeful he was just having a bad time and would &#8220;come round&#8221;. he never did and I broke off altogether april last year after he called me names via text that cant even be printed here!! I&#8217;ve spent the last year questioning and analysing it all, finding excuses etc and just when I thought it was safe to go back on the pc I received an email and text from him 2 weeks ago, misses me and the kids, can we have coffee etc. I&#8217;ve declined the coffee but was happy to exchange the odd text but guess what, he&#8217;s disappeared again, I know part of this is me trying to be best friends with everyone, no way did I want to get back with him again, no wish to be in his company which speaks volumes but at least this time I didnt get my fingers too badly burnt, bit of wounded pride is all. love your web site, I&#8217;ll be back to read more!!</p>
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		<title>By: lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a 4 1/2 year relationship with an eum.  We had the good times but I was always making things work and I did everything and he didn&#039;t put out any effort.  Everytime he would withdraw for no real reason I was the one who kept calling, seeing him and still doing for him until he came back to me.

This time was the last straw.  We went to a concert in May and right after he started becoming distant.  He would not call me and when I called him he didn&#039;t always answer and when he did he was not very friendly and he would cut the call short.  Finally he went on vacation in July and never told me he was going to be off that week. We work for the same company but in different locations and I found out that way.  I was so angry.  I know he was having a tough year because he had to get full custoday of his 16 year old daughter because his ex is an alcoholic and went to jail.  He had to move to a different town so she could stay at her school and I helped him move and I was there for him.  I did so much for him over the years even though he treated me like crap when he didn&#039;t want to be bothered.

I called him 2 of the nights and left no message.  Finally I called him on Friday and he answered the phone by saying what&#039;s the matter?  He sounded like he was drinking.  I still was nice and I was like nothing I just wanted to say hi.  He told me he was on vacation and that he didn&#039;t go away and he just rested and he was at a local bar I assume with friends from a town where he grew up in.  He was bout to end the call like nothing so I asked if he were avoiding me and he said no and I said he has been distant and not calling.  He was so rude and said, that&#039;s me.  I was so mad and I said I thought I was the one who he trusted and cared for. He got very silent and I said you don&#039;t want to talk about this do you? He said no and made some excuse his daughter was calling and he had to go.  I left him 2 messages after that telling him that he was not very nice, etc.

I tried calling him the next day and he didn&#039;t answer and I was stupid to apologize to him, let him know my feelings and that I was going on vacation the next week.  

He never called me. The week after my vacation he was spotted with a girl in a liquor store.  Boy was he surprised 2 people that we both know worked there part time. He tried to get out of there quick and gave my friend a look when she asked where I was.

I never let him know that I knew.  I stopped contact but I finally gave in and he still didn&#039;t answer my calls. I left messages pleading,etc. I finally confronted him on Labor Day when he got out of work.  He was acting so nice and his lame excuse was it&#039;s not you it&#039;s me.  Says his lfe sucks, works all the time and stays home and does nothing. He was looking at me like I was just nothing. I can&#039;t believe I asked him if I could still call him and he said you can call but I probably won&#039;t answer. I asked why and he said that he is not talking to anyone not even me. I was so crushed. I remember touching his shirt saying, you know how I feel about you. He just stood there. I said is that the real reason and he put his hands over his ears like a big baby and said no, no I have to go - and took off in his truck.

I&#039;m still sick over that - A week later I left him 2 messages on his cell phone letting him know how hurt and what a lier he was. The end of Sept. I saw him 1 last time at the store where he worked. He gave me that mean look of his and turned his head and didn&#039;t say much at all. He treated me like an enemy after all I did for that creep!

It&#039;s been very hard for me but I have not contacted him since. I almost want to but I will not give in this time. Now he has a girlfiend that he is trying to keep secret. He was furious when he found out a vendor told a guy co-worker about his girlfriend. He still does not know that I know about it. I won&#039;t say another word to him.

It&#039;s crazy but I still have feelings for him even after he hurt me so bad with his lies and the way he betrayed me. I still hope he calls me and says he is sorry, but I know he won&#039;t and I deserve so much better.

I&#039;m so happy I found this site. It has been so helpful and I have been learning alot. I wish I found it sooner!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a 4 1/2 year relationship with an eum.  We had the good times but I was always making things work and I did everything and he didn&#8217;t put out any effort.  Everytime he would withdraw for no real reason I was the one who kept calling, seeing him and still doing for him until he came back to me.</p>
<p>This time was the last straw.  We went to a concert in May and right after he started becoming distant.  He would not call me and when I called him he didn&#8217;t always answer and when he did he was not very friendly and he would cut the call short.  Finally he went on vacation in July and never told me he was going to be off that week. We work for the same company but in different locations and I found out that way.  I was so angry.  I know he was having a tough year because he had to get full custoday of his 16 year old daughter because his ex is an alcoholic and went to jail.  He had to move to a different town so she could stay at her school and I helped him move and I was there for him.  I did so much for him over the years even though he treated me like crap when he didn&#8217;t want to be bothered.</p>
<p>I called him 2 of the nights and left no message.  Finally I called him on Friday and he answered the phone by saying what&#8217;s the matter?  He sounded like he was drinking.  I still was nice and I was like nothing I just wanted to say hi.  He told me he was on vacation and that he didn&#8217;t go away and he just rested and he was at a local bar I assume with friends from a town where he grew up in.  He was bout to end the call like nothing so I asked if he were avoiding me and he said no and I said he has been distant and not calling.  He was so rude and said, that&#8217;s me.  I was so mad and I said I thought I was the one who he trusted and cared for. He got very silent and I said you don&#8217;t want to talk about this do you? He said no and made some excuse his daughter was calling and he had to go.  I left him 2 messages after that telling him that he was not very nice, etc.</p>
<p>I tried calling him the next day and he didn&#8217;t answer and I was stupid to apologize to him, let him know my feelings and that I was going on vacation the next week.  </p>
<p>He never called me. The week after my vacation he was spotted with a girl in a liquor store.  Boy was he surprised 2 people that we both know worked there part time. He tried to get out of there quick and gave my friend a look when she asked where I was.</p>
<p>I never let him know that I knew.  I stopped contact but I finally gave in and he still didn&#8217;t answer my calls. I left messages pleading,etc. I finally confronted him on Labor Day when he got out of work.  He was acting so nice and his lame excuse was it&#8217;s not you it&#8217;s me.  Says his lfe sucks, works all the time and stays home and does nothing. He was looking at me like I was just nothing. I can&#8217;t believe I asked him if I could still call him and he said you can call but I probably won&#8217;t answer. I asked why and he said that he is not talking to anyone not even me. I was so crushed. I remember touching his shirt saying, you know how I feel about you. He just stood there. I said is that the real reason and he put his hands over his ears like a big baby and said no, no I have to go &#8211; and took off in his truck.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still sick over that &#8211; A week later I left him 2 messages on his cell phone letting him know how hurt and what a lier he was. The end of Sept. I saw him 1 last time at the store where he worked. He gave me that mean look of his and turned his head and didn&#8217;t say much at all. He treated me like an enemy after all I did for that creep!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been very hard for me but I have not contacted him since. I almost want to but I will not give in this time. Now he has a girlfiend that he is trying to keep secret. He was furious when he found out a vendor told a guy co-worker about his girlfriend. He still does not know that I know about it. I won&#8217;t say another word to him.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s crazy but I still have feelings for him even after he hurt me so bad with his lies and the way he betrayed me. I still hope he calls me and says he is sorry, but I know he won&#8217;t and I deserve so much better.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so happy I found this site. It has been so helpful and I have been learning alot. I wish I found it sooner!</p>
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		<title>By: jodene</title>
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		<dc:creator>jodene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had a 3 year relatioship with an emotional abuser, he lived with me and my daughter.  He would come and go cause arguments to escape, said i nagged him, caused trouble, was this and that and i was so co-dependent on him it was unbelieveable.  I have chucked him out, asked him to leave many many times through my frustration.  He turned me into a &quot;mental&quot; person and i only two weeks ago after moving in with me again, said he missed his family who live in another town and wanted to move back there and restart his life.  I really felt like ending my own life as i simply could NOT go through this again.  He had become such a part of my own families lives and to be walking out again was simply too much for me to handle.  Three weeks ago when he left for a little break to &quot;clear his head&quot; i packed all his belongings and got them delievered to the other town.  I organised all his mail and bank and have had no contact since.  He has made contact by text to my family and sent me a text saying he missed and loved me.  I have NOT responded.  He also sent a valentine card which i have binned.  HE WILL NOT BELIEVE ME AS I HAVE ALWAYS TAKEN HIM BACK BEFORE.  I have shut the door on this relationship and would not even text him back.  It is over.  I have cried and broke my heart very much in these weeks, but i simply cannot allow another human being to treat me.  I am now sad that allowed this to continue for as long as it did.  I know hoever this will make me a stronger person in the longrun.  God Bless all those who have gone through the same thing.  Not a very nice experience.  xxxxxx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had a 3 year relatioship with an emotional abuser, he lived with me and my daughter.  He would come and go cause arguments to escape, said i nagged him, caused trouble, was this and that and i was so co-dependent on him it was unbelieveable.  I have chucked him out, asked him to leave many many times through my frustration.  He turned me into a &#8220;mental&#8221; person and i only two weeks ago after moving in with me again, said he missed his family who live in another town and wanted to move back there and restart his life.  I really felt like ending my own life as i simply could NOT go through this again.  He had become such a part of my own families lives and to be walking out again was simply too much for me to handle.  Three weeks ago when he left for a little break to &#8220;clear his head&#8221; i packed all his belongings and got them delievered to the other town.  I organised all his mail and bank and have had no contact since.  He has made contact by text to my family and sent me a text saying he missed and loved me.  I have NOT responded.  He also sent a valentine card which i have binned.  HE WILL NOT BELIEVE ME AS I HAVE ALWAYS TAKEN HIM BACK BEFORE.  I have shut the door on this relationship and would not even text him back.  It is over.  I have cried and broke my heart very much in these weeks, but i simply cannot allow another human being to treat me.  I am now sad that allowed this to continue for as long as it did.  I know hoever this will make me a stronger person in the longrun.  God Bless all those who have gone through the same thing.  Not a very nice experience.  xxxxxx</p>
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		<title>By: ReginaToxicodendronDiversilobum</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReginaToxicodendronDiversilobum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 05:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ladies, why would we want to be the dump-ees instead of the dump-er???

My EUM was doing the &quot;treats you badly til YOU break up with him&quot; routine, I can see. In fact, during our breakup conversation, he expressed stress and grief about breaking up, but I told him that I had been getting very clear messages from him that he was not into the relationship anymore. I asked, &quot;Do you know what I&#039;m talking about, or do I need to give you some examples,&quot; and he said no. So (I now realize tho I didn&#039;t clue in then) he was actually well aware of what he was doing to push me away and what his desired end result would be. 

So we both downloaded NML&#039;s book, and ended it mutually, but I was the one who called the question, gave him his key back, and I am so glad it was me. The rejection I was getting in the relationship was bad enough.

So ladies, dump your EUM, keep that dignity to yourself, at least! You will be in such a better place if you take charge, instead of begging to be rejected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ladies, why would we want to be the dump-ees instead of the dump-er???</p>
<p>My EUM was doing the &#8220;treats you badly til YOU break up with him&#8221; routine, I can see. In fact, during our breakup conversation, he expressed stress and grief about breaking up, but I told him that I had been getting very clear messages from him that he was not into the relationship anymore. I asked, &#8220;Do you know what I&#8217;m talking about, or do I need to give you some examples,&#8221; and he said no. So (I now realize tho I didn&#8217;t clue in then) he was actually well aware of what he was doing to push me away and what his desired end result would be. </p>
<p>So we both downloaded NML&#8217;s book, and ended it mutually, but I was the one who called the question, gave him his key back, and I am so glad it was me. The rejection I was getting in the relationship was bad enough.</p>
<p>So ladies, dump your EUM, keep that dignity to yourself, at least! You will be in such a better place if you take charge, instead of begging to be rejected.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My assclown turned out to be an alcoholic and cocaine abuser.  I found help from Al-Anon, which is a support group similar to CODA (Codependents Anonymous).  Even though Al-Anon is typically for those involved with a loved one who is an alcoholic, many of the principles are the same - the foundations are built upon self love and self care.  These things are fundamental in getting past the abuse of an assclown.  Seeking support in a group format is very helpful in finding healing and building the strength needed to not repeat the same pattern in future relationships.  I have committed to never getting involved with another man like this again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My assclown turned out to be an alcoholic and cocaine abuser.  I found help from Al-Anon, which is a support group similar to CODA (Codependents Anonymous).  Even though Al-Anon is typically for those involved with a loved one who is an alcoholic, many of the principles are the same &#8211; the foundations are built upon self love and self care.  These things are fundamental in getting past the abuse of an assclown.  Seeking support in a group format is very helpful in finding healing and building the strength needed to not repeat the same pattern in future relationships.  I have committed to never getting involved with another man like this again.</p>
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		<title>By: Belle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noelle, the fact that you don&#039;t cry yourself to sleep anymore and you quit begging and pleading shows that you are progressing. I once read a break up survival kit on ivillage.com which said that the pain takes as long as it takes, and that there is no getting out of the pain, just get through it. 

PS. I watched Bishop TD Jakes&#039; sermons of &quot;Nothing Just Happens&quot; which has the famous Let it message; &quot;Potholes&quot; and &quot;Fainting But Still fighting&quot;. They have powerful messages about letting people go &amp; not begging people to remain joined to you. They are powerful messages of hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noelle, the fact that you don&#8217;t cry yourself to sleep anymore and you quit begging and pleading shows that you are progressing. I once read a break up survival kit on ivillage.com which said that the pain takes as long as it takes, and that there is no getting out of the pain, just get through it. </p>
<p>PS. I watched Bishop TD Jakes&#8217; sermons of &#8220;Nothing Just Happens&#8221; which has the famous Let it message; &#8220;Potholes&#8221; and &#8220;Fainting But Still fighting&#8221;. They have powerful messages about letting people go &amp; not begging people to remain joined to you. They are powerful messages of hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Noelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read these articles, downloaded the book and its like looking into a mirror.  MY EUM had a 17 year marriage end, then a 6 month relationship end in devistation. I used to tell myself if I love him enough, show him how good a relationship can be, he will love me to.  He has told me loved BUT doesn&#039;t know if he can handle loving someone.  I&#039;ve ended it, he has ended it and just when I think its over, here he comes. It has never lasted more than a week!  We were practically living together when I mentioned the C word and he freaked.  For the past 3 weeks he has been back around. We spent our first full weekend together last weekend. He has children and I love them dearly.  They have no clue as to whats going on.  I to wish he would just say its over. I&#039;ve begged him to tell me goodbye, end it so I can move on and he wont.  He just says I know its not fair to you, I&#039;m wishy washy, can&#039;t commit to anything etc and don&#039;t want to hurt you but he won&#039;t stay away!  He won&#039;t cut the cord. Two weekends ago we talked, really talked for the first time. I thought maybe something had clicked, it had changed. But I see after reading all this nothing has changed and it won&#039;t until I walk away for good.  I don&#039;t cry myself to sleep anymore. I quit the begging and pleading.  I have tried to take the attitude I don&#039;t care but I do. It hurts.  When will it stop?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read these articles, downloaded the book and its like looking into a mirror.  MY EUM had a 17 year marriage end, then a 6 month relationship end in devistation. I used to tell myself if I love him enough, show him how good a relationship can be, he will love me to.  He has told me loved BUT doesn&#8217;t know if he can handle loving someone.  I&#8217;ve ended it, he has ended it and just when I think its over, here he comes. It has never lasted more than a week!  We were practically living together when I mentioned the C word and he freaked.  For the past 3 weeks he has been back around. We spent our first full weekend together last weekend. He has children and I love them dearly.  They have no clue as to whats going on.  I to wish he would just say its over. I&#8217;ve begged him to tell me goodbye, end it so I can move on and he wont.  He just says I know its not fair to you, I&#8217;m wishy washy, can&#8217;t commit to anything etc and don&#8217;t want to hurt you but he won&#8217;t stay away!  He won&#8217;t cut the cord. Two weekends ago we talked, really talked for the first time. I thought maybe something had clicked, it had changed. But I see after reading all this nothing has changed and it won&#8217;t until I walk away for good.  I don&#8217;t cry myself to sleep anymore. I quit the begging and pleading.  I have tried to take the attitude I don&#8217;t care but I do. It hurts.  When will it stop?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy T., you asked &quot;So why .. do I want to contact him?? &quot;

I think part of it is that you are taking control, feeling happier, and are thinking about having someone to be close to - and the ex is far enough gone you are thinking of the good times instead of the reasons you have been 4 months NC.  

You need to redirect that attention, and meet those needs to feel part of a group - but make it a group larger than two, for now.  Community events are great to attend - but even better to get involved with putting them on.  Schools often need volunteers - have you seen how agonizingly grateful the Multiple Handicap teachers can be for someone willing to step in and substitute occasionally?  

When you think you might be looking at a nice guy to take home, objectively check his emotional health (relationships with friends and family), his character (emotional discipline, honor, honesty, respectful and well respected - this is different than well admired), and his community health - stable profession, aptitude for being a mate and co-parent.  Then start with checking out his smile, then his physical attributes.  Please avoid anyone adept at getting women into bed (this is a red flag).

Your instincts are partly right - you need the personal contact.  But until you meet the right guy, focus on the social side.  

Luck!

NML, when we try too hard, one of the disconnects may be to value effort too highly while we ignore identifying our partner&#039;s needs.

One of the most difficult relationship skills to master is to determine what our partner&#039;s needs are.  We tend to hide our own needs, and often our partner does, too.  An abusive clown may tell you to do things, or may tell you what their needs are - but that may not actually be their needs.  So any effort spent doing what you are told or meeting fictitious needs may be wasted.  And it feels so useless, doing so much, going more than half way for no reason.  We resent the wasted effort, the time we spent for our partner.  In a relationship, I would seldom grade more than &#039;D&#039; for effort.  Much more important is do what is needed.

When the EU turns shitty for any reason, I imagine you aren&#039;t meeting his needs.  You need to decide if you can *or should* meet that need - or leave.  You can&#039;t respect yourself for anything else.  If there is danger, or threats, then the choice should be obvious - leave.

Blessed be!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy T., you asked &#8220;So why .. do I want to contact him?? &#8221;</p>
<p>I think part of it is that you are taking control, feeling happier, and are thinking about having someone to be close to &#8211; and the ex is far enough gone you are thinking of the good times instead of the reasons you have been 4 months NC.  </p>
<p>You need to redirect that attention, and meet those needs to feel part of a group &#8211; but make it a group larger than two, for now.  Community events are great to attend &#8211; but even better to get involved with putting them on.  Schools often need volunteers &#8211; have you seen how agonizingly grateful the Multiple Handicap teachers can be for someone willing to step in and substitute occasionally?  </p>
<p>When you think you might be looking at a nice guy to take home, objectively check his emotional health (relationships with friends and family), his character (emotional discipline, honor, honesty, respectful and well respected &#8211; this is different than well admired), and his community health &#8211; stable profession, aptitude for being a mate and co-parent.  Then start with checking out his smile, then his physical attributes.  Please avoid anyone adept at getting women into bed (this is a red flag).</p>
<p>Your instincts are partly right &#8211; you need the personal contact.  But until you meet the right guy, focus on the social side.  </p>
<p>Luck!</p>
<p>NML, when we try too hard, one of the disconnects may be to value effort too highly while we ignore identifying our partner&#8217;s needs.</p>
<p>One of the most difficult relationship skills to master is to determine what our partner&#8217;s needs are.  We tend to hide our own needs, and often our partner does, too.  An abusive clown may tell you to do things, or may tell you what their needs are &#8211; but that may not actually be their needs.  So any effort spent doing what you are told or meeting fictitious needs may be wasted.  And it feels so useless, doing so much, going more than half way for no reason.  We resent the wasted effort, the time we spent for our partner.  In a relationship, I would seldom grade more than &#8216;D&#8217; for effort.  Much more important is do what is needed.</p>
<p>When the EU turns shitty for any reason, I imagine you aren&#8217;t meeting his needs.  You need to decide if you can *or should* meet that need &#8211; or leave.  You can&#8217;t respect yourself for anything else.  If there is danger, or threats, then the choice should be obvious &#8211; leave.</p>
<p>Blessed be!</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man girl you are so right on and I&#039;m so glad I found you. I have just managed to chuck an assclown of three years- typical emotionally unavailable jack-ass! The entire relationship sucked the life out of me and as he packed the rest of his things up last night I came to the conclusion...it is HIS loss not mine. Now is the time for me to rebuild my spirit and find my life-source again. 

So far I am devouring your blog and loving it.

Thank you so much for being so wise and sharing!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man girl you are so right on and I&#8217;m so glad I found you. I have just managed to chuck an assclown of three years- typical emotionally unavailable jack-ass! The entire relationship sucked the life out of me and as he packed the rest of his things up last night I came to the conclusion&#8230;it is HIS loss not mine. Now is the time for me to rebuild my spirit and find my life-source again. </p>
<p>So far I am devouring your blog and loving it.</p>
<p>Thank you so much for being so wise and sharing!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>keri: NML has said it, as well as many other women who post here: EUM&#039;s are a hard habit to kick, like smoking or any other addiction. I don&#039;t know how many times I used a simple comment from the ex like &quot;Thank you&quot; and took that as an excuse to tell him how I felt. On a positive note, I can tell you that the need to answer will fade with time. Eventually, every text, phone, or instant message will annoy the crap out of you so much that you will begin to ignore every one of them. The best part: he&#039;ll start to get the hint and maybe turn up the heat a little. But by then, you will be SO over his behavior. Congrats to you for at least knowing that it was stupid to respond. Knowing is half the battle. The next battle: stop, think carefully about how your response won&#039;t change the way he&#039;s treated you, and hit the delete/close/straight-to-voicemail button. :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>keri: NML has said it, as well as many other women who post here: EUM&#8217;s are a hard habit to kick, like smoking or any other addiction. I don&#8217;t know how many times I used a simple comment from the ex like &#8220;Thank you&#8221; and took that as an excuse to tell him how I felt. On a positive note, I can tell you that the need to answer will fade with time. Eventually, every text, phone, or instant message will annoy the crap out of you so much that you will begin to ignore every one of them. The best part: he&#8217;ll start to get the hint and maybe turn up the heat a little. But by then, you will be SO over his behavior. Congrats to you for at least knowing that it was stupid to respond. Knowing is half the battle. The next battle: stop, think carefully about how your response won&#8217;t change the way he&#8217;s treated you, and hit the delete/close/straight-to-voicemail button. <img src='http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: SuzieQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SuzieQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I guess a lot of this has to do with the way we were raised.  Our parents stayed together even in bad situations because that is the way it was back then.  Divorce was not so easy to do.  But we don&#039;t have to do the same with our kids. We need to break the cycle.  I am not really sure how.  For me I think it is just best I don&#039;t date at all or keep it as separate from my home as possible.  I am still seeing my EUM occasionaly, but I just have to keep it light and not expect too much from him and not let my son see me get upset over him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I guess a lot of this has to do with the way we were raised.  Our parents stayed together even in bad situations because that is the way it was back then.  Divorce was not so easy to do.  But we don&#8217;t have to do the same with our kids. We need to break the cycle.  I am not really sure how.  For me I think it is just best I don&#8217;t date at all or keep it as separate from my home as possible.  I am still seeing my EUM occasionaly, but I just have to keep it light and not expect too much from him and not let my son see me get upset over him.</p>
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		<title>By: keri</title>
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		<dc:creator>keri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GRR.. I&quot;m so upset with myself! I&#039;m stuck in a lease with my EUM although I dont&#039; live there anymore.. (three more months then i&#039;m DONE!) well he keeps asking me to do stuff for him.. issues with the house (HELLO.. I don&#039;t live there anymore!) .. I put my foot down last week.. and said STOP CALLING ME!! Call your new girlfriend! Well.. another &quot;issue&quot; with the house arose.. and I totally had a weak moment.. here I am trying to help him (even though I don&#039;t live there.. duh.. me giving 100% and him giving NOTHING.. he doesn&#039;t deserve it!!! ) and he text me.. &quot;thanks for your help&quot; and i took that moment and RAN with it because I wrote back and said that &quot;Although I&#039;ve been cold and aloof.. i still care about you&quot;... UGH!!! Why did I do that???? OF COURSE he didn&#039;t respond.. I feel like an idiot! I&#039;ve been doing SO good.. why would I backslide like that!!! UGH!!! I feel dirty.. like I need to take a shower! I KNOW BETTER!!!!  Why would I do that... you&#039;re thoughts???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GRR.. I&#8221;m so upset with myself! I&#8217;m stuck in a lease with my EUM although I dont&#8217; live there anymore.. (three more months then i&#8217;m DONE!) well he keeps asking me to do stuff for him.. issues with the house (HELLO.. I don&#8217;t live there anymore!) .. I put my foot down last week.. and said STOP CALLING ME!! Call your new girlfriend! Well.. another &#8220;issue&#8221; with the house arose.. and I totally had a weak moment.. here I am trying to help him (even though I don&#8217;t live there.. duh.. me giving 100% and him giving NOTHING.. he doesn&#8217;t deserve it!!! ) and he text me.. &#8220;thanks for your help&#8221; and i took that moment and RAN with it because I wrote back and said that &#8220;Although I&#8217;ve been cold and aloof.. i still care about you&#8221;&#8230; UGH!!! Why did I do that???? OF COURSE he didn&#8217;t respond.. I feel like an idiot! I&#8217;ve been doing SO good.. why would I backslide like that!!! UGH!!! I feel dirty.. like I need to take a shower! I KNOW BETTER!!!!  Why would I do that&#8230; you&#8217;re thoughts???</p>
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		<title>By: Belle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been with this EUM for 15 years!!!! I broke up with him 99 times, the last time for 4 years. I went back to him because I had just been badly scalded by an EUM, and he was sweet about having changed.  

He is still emotionally unavailable and a cheat. For a long time I refused to face the fact that I am letting him get away with his poor treatment. But last month he told me he was going to spend the nite with his mum, but spent it with a girlfriend and I woke UP to the realization that life with him will ALWAYS be like this. He showers his new girl with gifts that he can never buy for me. The feeling of rejection and the fact that he appreciates a new babe rather than me who has been with him thru thick and thin makes the pain unbearable. My consolation for now is that he will do to her what he has done to me. It i snot about me.

I realize that some of these men treat us the way they do because we LET them get away with it, and even make ourselves available for more crap. I have now completely reduced my supply of myself and any efforts to make him see &quot;the LIGHT&quot; that I am the one he needs. Last week he wanted me to miss work and do something for his sister and mum. I told him that I didn&#039;t have time. He went on and on about me not caring about his mom and I said to hell. I have made numerous sacrifices for him. His thanks - cheating and being unavailable.

I have come to learn that I have to respect myself first if someone is to respect me; and that I deserve to be loved and respected.

Thanks so much for this site. Knowing that I am not alone in this helps a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been with this EUM for 15 years!!!! I broke up with him 99 times, the last time for 4 years. I went back to him because I had just been badly scalded by an EUM, and he was sweet about having changed.  </p>
<p>He is still emotionally unavailable and a cheat. For a long time I refused to face the fact that I am letting him get away with his poor treatment. But last month he told me he was going to spend the nite with his mum, but spent it with a girlfriend and I woke UP to the realization that life with him will ALWAYS be like this. He showers his new girl with gifts that he can never buy for me. The feeling of rejection and the fact that he appreciates a new babe rather than me who has been with him thru thick and thin makes the pain unbearable. My consolation for now is that he will do to her what he has done to me. It i snot about me.</p>
<p>I realize that some of these men treat us the way they do because we LET them get away with it, and even make ourselves available for more crap. I have now completely reduced my supply of myself and any efforts to make him see &#8220;the LIGHT&#8221; that I am the one he needs. Last week he wanted me to miss work and do something for his sister and mum. I told him that I didn&#8217;t have time. He went on and on about me not caring about his mom and I said to hell. I have made numerous sacrifices for him. His thanks &#8211; cheating and being unavailable.</p>
<p>I have come to learn that I have to respect myself first if someone is to respect me; and that I deserve to be loved and respected.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for this site. Knowing that I am not alone in this helps a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: lisaq</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the one area you&#039;ve really helped me with NML. I was the queen of betting on potential. Without you and the NCR, I&#039;d likely still be stuck chasing The Math Teacher...and I&#039;d still be miserably trying to figure out why he could see what we could be. Ugh! Thank God that&#039;s over! And thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the one area you&#8217;ve really helped me with NML. I was the queen of betting on potential. Without you and the NCR, I&#8217;d likely still be stuck chasing The Math Teacher&#8230;and I&#8217;d still be miserably trying to figure out why he could see what we could be. Ugh! Thank God that&#8217;s over! And thank you!</p>
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