Lately, I have been thanking my lucky stars that I had the guts to walk away from my now ex-husband. He was quite the piece of work in the cheating department – See my post titled ‘I Married a Serial Cheater‘. It was the best decision I could have done for myself.
A good friend of mine and his wife live in a neighbourhood that would rival most television reality shows. Every week he sends me the latest gossip via email. Sadly, one couple in particular usually makes the headlines.
Apparently, the husband has quite the problem with keeping his zipper in the up and locked position. The worst part is that she is totally aware of this. Over the years there have been numerous instances of his wife finding out about his affairs, but she continues to stay.
One time, she was in his office at work waiting for him to finish up with a business meeting. She didn’t have to dig very far as she found seductive emails from some anonymous woman on his computer. Within the same 5 minutes, she found some woman’s name written on a piece of paper that even had the bars name where they met. I guess this was in case he got his women mixed up.
My friend told me the wife was really fed up with his cheating (this time) and was finally going to leave her husband. I was overcome with joy. Finally! She was going to leave the bastard. Alas, it was not so. He begged her to stay for the umpteenth time and bought her a new car and a trip to Hawaii just to make up for it. They went to couple’s counseling and he even quit drinking just to show her he was dead serious this time.
All had been quiet on that front until last week. He had arranged a ‘business’ meeting overseas and was calling her a few days prior telling her how much he loved her and that he was a changed man. She thought this behavior was a bit off and being the paranoid wife that she is now, and forever will be; she searched his luggage before he left. She found 400 dollars worth of cash and 2 condoms in an envelope. Not a good sign.
She says if the condoms are gone when he gets back, she will leave him. Huh? For the love of fidelity, why wait until then? What more proof than that do you need? We hear stories of women putting up with mud sniffing pigs for years with evidence that is so undeniable, it becomes laughable.
I realise we all have breaking points but when is it time to say enough is enough? Are we that afraid that this is all there is? Are we so afraid of the unknown that we can’t even conceive of a life without a man in it?
I know of instances where women believe their husbands or boyfriends will change if only they were skinnier, better in bed, get a boob job etc. The reality is that these men are hardwired to cheat. It has nothing to do with you and everything to do with them. They have a problem. However, by staying with these types of men, it reinforces the message that we will tolerate their antics over and over. We can only change this by walking away and believing we are worth more and deserve more.
This post was contributed by Rose City Girl. She’s a fine food and wine loving mixed media artist that travels a lot and stays away from men that mistreat her!
We send the boys to play football, we act as if the only thing kids in school does that is worthwhile is ‘score’ on the foot ball field. We celebrate the QB as the ‘Captain’. Who only gets to succeed once a week, for a short period, for a couple of years, always with a different ‘opponent’. We teach our kids that that blaze of glory is ‘good’ — we all stand and cheer, it must be so! And we teach our girls to strip down and cheer louder, leading the cheers of the crowd in skimpy outfits. Media, advertising all reinforce the expectation that excitement *should* define the best relationships. That, and repeated conquests. You can’t fulfill the allure of fashion, without alluring someone.
From the outside, a betrayal looks pretty cut and dried. From within the relationship, though, there appears to be a choice: End the relationship and walk away, or treat the betraying act as a violation (of principles, laws, integrity, vows, etc.) and attempt disciplinary action to correct the errant behavior.
Rather than follow this train of gossip (I consider gossip one of the true social evils; nothing good can come of it) and hope for the woman to leave the cheater, acknowledge that both man and wife are adults. They are responsible for their actions and choices, each of them. And support those that you can respect. From the little related here, I personally would not encourage the cheating or his semi-abandonment of his wife, but the wife’s choice of staying or going should be respected. Unless there is danger of physical or emotional abuse, your violation of her choice is a greater ill than honoring her choice.
See, leaving comes with it’s own fears and probable hurts. Picking between bad choices is the responsibility of those involved, not bystanders. But as parents we can try to teach our kids how to manage their lives better. And we can try to live a reasonably good example for our community, family and friends — not to shame or encourage others, but to increase the joy in our own lives.
Weddings&Wives
on 10/05/2007 at 3:05 pm
For me cheating is a deal breaker: equality is a core value.
However, inescapably there are often shades of grey. I strongly suspect that my lover of six months has recently cheated on me. There has been denial from him, which I believe is motivated by his desire to save the relationship.
We have entered a period of exploration of our commitment to each other and my boundaries for the relationship have been clearly restated. He knows that if he crosses the line, it is all over. My decision to stick around for the moment is not a sign of ambivalence; I’m not interested in being loved by a player. I’m just exercising my choice to offer a chance.
patricia
on 07/06/2007 at 6:12 pm
Hi Girls
I am interested to know what should i do knowing that my husband has been cheating on me when I confronted him he admited it I had my ups and down for now almost 20 months and I stayed after he said to me that he has stoped seeing this woman , I want to beleive him he comes late from work he travels constantly abroad most of the time I am alone I have been married for 30 years I dont know what to do he is my life I dont trust him but again I can`t leave him I am in hell HELP HELP ( I am 54 yrs old he is 53)
leanne
on 15/06/2007 at 1:17 am
I am writing a book as well, about men and dating. I can understand why a woman will stay and stay and stay…. (my boyfriend of six years habitually cheated and became an addict to cocaine..I excused his cheating because I thought if he just got treatment for his addiction he would be “normal”) and in staying, became numb- completely devoid of emotions. I lost my sense of reality and what was “normal” along the way. To the point that I didnt know how to be in a normal loving relationship. It was quite ugly for me personally to admit that this bum I had been excusing, forgiving and covering for, was lying to me all the time. And I had to do that to move on. But it felt like all my realities had collapsed along the way. You have to understand that a woman who stays in a cheating relationship is being victimized. And like a battered woman, she is bearing the scars of power and control- though like many abused women, she will defend her abuser- all because her sense of reality is lost. Her self esteem is eroded, she to stay must numb herself of all the feelings she has of pain, or the pain becomes to great to bear. Stay and be numb and keep him, hoping he has changed this time? Or leave and hurt and now function as a dehumanized person with little self esteem? Both are very hard for a woman who has been emotionally abused. And that , frankly is what serial cheating is. It is the act of a man who hates women, not who loves women- it is about using sex for power and control, lacking empathy and remorse for emotions of others, it is abuse in every form. So dont be too hard on these women, what they need, typically is counseling, alot of support, and the understanding that they ahve been abused. This is the premise of much of my book. Emotional abuse is abuse, just as real as physical abuse. And the post traumatic stress syndrome and the feelings of being dehumanized, and victimized are strong in many women who have “loved’ men who serial cheat. Leanne Coffman… Indiana, USA ..great site by the way, ! there is hope, I am finding my way to health, ladies. But it is not as easy as “just leave and move on” for many, many women. I do understand that one.
Donna
on 03/08/2007 at 4:03 am
I’m 51 and my husband of 25 yrs is 54. The mental abuse a man can render is so insidious that here I sit, after 25 yrs of marriage and wonder how I’ve managed to stay sane. I’m married to an emotionally/physically unavailable man and until these past 3 yrs. which I’ve endured some of the worst losses and situations of my life have I realized how alone I am. I’ve sought out personal counseling for myself and though it validates my feelings and gives me strength, 25 years is a BIG investment and awful hard to walk away. So much plays a part. I’m no spring chicken anymore! Fear that I could go from the frying pan to the fire in the realm of the dating world. History and comfort zone. I know and am very familiar with what I have. We share a past of family, friends and experiences. I am aware of my situation. I have to weigh and balance cutting my losses for the great unknown. And yet I know I’m enduring terrific personal emotional harm in such a way that I cannot escape unless I physically leave and yet I still love and care about him. We are on our third time around with marriage counseling and each time he says he doesn’t want a divorce (not so much with passion that he doesn’t want to lose me ..more like it just doesn’t fit into his schedule of things to do). He’s told me he wouldn’t stand in my way if that’s what I wanted. Nice huh? 25 yrs. and I get ..if that’s what you want go for it. Like it doesn’t really matter one way or the other but I should be the one to do the leg work. Tears have no effect and I am completely ignored when I’m upset about anything. As I read the other posts ..If I knew he was physically cheating on me it would be a deal breaker for me. That’s concrete evidence. What I’m dealing with is not something anyone actually sees physical evidence of but it is just as hurtful to the woman in the marriage that longs for a deeper, personal, caring relationship with her longtime spouse but will never experience it. Women as a gender I think are so strong. Strong in their compassion and unity of sisterhood. We can reach out and it is met with sympathy and compassion, if not understanding. I thank you for the opportunity to share and hope others will speak out.
Brad K.
on 03/08/2007 at 4:27 am
Donna,
A couple of thoughts. You are unhappy that he said he would support you if you decide to leave. That may be (possibly) an attempt at self-sacrifice. He may feel it is his duty to allow you the choice, unhampered by what he feels. Whether this is true, or he really doesn’t care, the results will look the same.
The other confusion I notice, is about him completely ignoring you when you are upset. Some families do that, partly to allow privacy for feelings, partly because of a belief that only calm people can be ‘rational’ and have anything worth saying or hearing. And, too, some guys pick up gossip, innuendo, and movie plots that show ignoring an emotional woman is ‘manly’. I don’t know how you might go about breaking into assumptions like that, but I suspect it doesn’t mean what you have been thinking it does.
I hope your story has a happy ending, somewhere. Blessed be.
leanne
on 03/08/2007 at 5:45 am
Donna,
I do appreciate your candor and honesty with which you write. At the time of this post, I have three beautiful, strong, intelligent girlfriends all struggling as you are- and as I have. Relationship decisions are difficult when time is a factor, as you stated, shared moments, history, friends, family- all merge in the path of years shared. My heart goes out to you. There is no easy answer, when lives and hearts are concerned. You have my prayers that the answer becomes very clear.
Leanne
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I think we train our kids to do this.
We send the boys to play football, we act as if the only thing kids in school does that is worthwhile is ‘score’ on the foot ball field. We celebrate the QB as the ‘Captain’. Who only gets to succeed once a week, for a short period, for a couple of years, always with a different ‘opponent’. We teach our kids that that blaze of glory is ‘good’ — we all stand and cheer, it must be so! And we teach our girls to strip down and cheer louder, leading the cheers of the crowd in skimpy outfits. Media, advertising all reinforce the expectation that excitement *should* define the best relationships. That, and repeated conquests. You can’t fulfill the allure of fashion, without alluring someone.
From the outside, a betrayal looks pretty cut and dried. From within the relationship, though, there appears to be a choice: End the relationship and walk away, or treat the betraying act as a violation (of principles, laws, integrity, vows, etc.) and attempt disciplinary action to correct the errant behavior.
Rather than follow this train of gossip (I consider gossip one of the true social evils; nothing good can come of it) and hope for the woman to leave the cheater, acknowledge that both man and wife are adults. They are responsible for their actions and choices, each of them. And support those that you can respect. From the little related here, I personally would not encourage the cheating or his semi-abandonment of his wife, but the wife’s choice of staying or going should be respected. Unless there is danger of physical or emotional abuse, your violation of her choice is a greater ill than honoring her choice.
See, leaving comes with it’s own fears and probable hurts. Picking between bad choices is the responsibility of those involved, not bystanders. But as parents we can try to teach our kids how to manage their lives better. And we can try to live a reasonably good example for our community, family and friends — not to shame or encourage others, but to increase the joy in our own lives.
For me cheating is a deal breaker: equality is a core value.
However, inescapably there are often shades of grey. I strongly suspect that my lover of six months has recently cheated on me. There has been denial from him, which I believe is motivated by his desire to save the relationship.
We have entered a period of exploration of our commitment to each other and my boundaries for the relationship have been clearly restated. He knows that if he crosses the line, it is all over. My decision to stick around for the moment is not a sign of ambivalence; I’m not interested in being loved by a player. I’m just exercising my choice to offer a chance.
Hi Girls
I am interested to know what should i do knowing that my husband has been cheating on me when I confronted him he admited it I had my ups and down for now almost 20 months and I stayed after he said to me that he has stoped seeing this woman , I want to beleive him he comes late from work he travels constantly abroad most of the time I am alone I have been married for 30 years I dont know what to do he is my life I dont trust him but again I can`t leave him I am in hell HELP HELP ( I am 54 yrs old he is 53)
I am writing a book as well, about men and dating. I can understand why a woman will stay and stay and stay…. (my boyfriend of six years habitually cheated and became an addict to cocaine..I excused his cheating because I thought if he just got treatment for his addiction he would be “normal”) and in staying, became numb- completely devoid of emotions. I lost my sense of reality and what was “normal” along the way. To the point that I didnt know how to be in a normal loving relationship. It was quite ugly for me personally to admit that this bum I had been excusing, forgiving and covering for, was lying to me all the time. And I had to do that to move on. But it felt like all my realities had collapsed along the way. You have to understand that a woman who stays in a cheating relationship is being victimized. And like a battered woman, she is bearing the scars of power and control- though like many abused women, she will defend her abuser- all because her sense of reality is lost. Her self esteem is eroded, she to stay must numb herself of all the feelings she has of pain, or the pain becomes to great to bear. Stay and be numb and keep him, hoping he has changed this time? Or leave and hurt and now function as a dehumanized person with little self esteem? Both are very hard for a woman who has been emotionally abused. And that , frankly is what serial cheating is. It is the act of a man who hates women, not who loves women- it is about using sex for power and control, lacking empathy and remorse for emotions of others, it is abuse in every form. So dont be too hard on these women, what they need, typically is counseling, alot of support, and the understanding that they ahve been abused. This is the premise of much of my book. Emotional abuse is abuse, just as real as physical abuse. And the post traumatic stress syndrome and the feelings of being dehumanized, and victimized are strong in many women who have “loved’ men who serial cheat. Leanne Coffman… Indiana, USA ..great site by the way, ! there is hope, I am finding my way to health, ladies. But it is not as easy as “just leave and move on” for many, many women. I do understand that one.
I’m 51 and my husband of 25 yrs is 54. The mental abuse a man can render is so insidious that here I sit, after 25 yrs of marriage and wonder how I’ve managed to stay sane. I’m married to an emotionally/physically unavailable man and until these past 3 yrs. which I’ve endured some of the worst losses and situations of my life have I realized how alone I am. I’ve sought out personal counseling for myself and though it validates my feelings and gives me strength, 25 years is a BIG investment and awful hard to walk away. So much plays a part. I’m no spring chicken anymore! Fear that I could go from the frying pan to the fire in the realm of the dating world. History and comfort zone. I know and am very familiar with what I have. We share a past of family, friends and experiences. I am aware of my situation. I have to weigh and balance cutting my losses for the great unknown. And yet I know I’m enduring terrific personal emotional harm in such a way that I cannot escape unless I physically leave and yet I still love and care about him. We are on our third time around with marriage counseling and each time he says he doesn’t want a divorce (not so much with passion that he doesn’t want to lose me ..more like it just doesn’t fit into his schedule of things to do). He’s told me he wouldn’t stand in my way if that’s what I wanted. Nice huh? 25 yrs. and I get ..if that’s what you want go for it. Like it doesn’t really matter one way or the other but I should be the one to do the leg work. Tears have no effect and I am completely ignored when I’m upset about anything. As I read the other posts ..If I knew he was physically cheating on me it would be a deal breaker for me. That’s concrete evidence. What I’m dealing with is not something anyone actually sees physical evidence of but it is just as hurtful to the woman in the marriage that longs for a deeper, personal, caring relationship with her longtime spouse but will never experience it. Women as a gender I think are so strong. Strong in their compassion and unity of sisterhood. We can reach out and it is met with sympathy and compassion, if not understanding. I thank you for the opportunity to share and hope others will speak out.
Donna,
A couple of thoughts. You are unhappy that he said he would support you if you decide to leave. That may be (possibly) an attempt at self-sacrifice. He may feel it is his duty to allow you the choice, unhampered by what he feels. Whether this is true, or he really doesn’t care, the results will look the same.
The other confusion I notice, is about him completely ignoring you when you are upset. Some families do that, partly to allow privacy for feelings, partly because of a belief that only calm people can be ‘rational’ and have anything worth saying or hearing. And, too, some guys pick up gossip, innuendo, and movie plots that show ignoring an emotional woman is ‘manly’. I don’t know how you might go about breaking into assumptions like that, but I suspect it doesn’t mean what you have been thinking it does.
I hope your story has a happy ending, somewhere. Blessed be.
Donna,
I do appreciate your candor and honesty with which you write. At the time of this post, I have three beautiful, strong, intelligent girlfriends all struggling as you are- and as I have. Relationship decisions are difficult when time is a factor, as you stated, shared moments, history, friends, family- all merge in the path of years shared. My heart goes out to you. There is no easy answer, when lives and hearts are concerned. You have my prayers that the answer becomes very clear.
Leanne